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Animal Birth Control and PeTA

Posted by on 02/26/08 (Commentary, Links)

I love these new ads from PeTA for their ABC (animal birth control) campaign.

But interestingly, PeTA doesn’t get high marks in this area from author Nathan J. Winograd in his book Redemption: The Myth of Pet Overpopulation and the No Kill Revolution in America. I listened to an interview with him on Vegan Freak Radio not long ago and I was genuinely surprised by some of what he had to say. The programs he’s implemented sound truly awesome. Check ça.

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  • Comment by jammer on February 27th, 2008 at 9:09 pm:

    funny, interesting & sad. ya there was an uproar about the numbers of domestic animals peta killed, but those in opposition head-scratchingly suggested that animal rights itself was wrong. say whaaattt? doesnt that just emphasize the point for animal rights? good to hear people trying to straighten this shit out.

  • Comment by jammer on February 28th, 2008 at 9:12 pm:

    i should say, I meant the self effacing opening tag line in the podcast. and bordering on funny in the tragic sense of it in the peta commercials. think i might buy that book…anyone? …sound of one hand clapping?

  • Comment by bits on February 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm:

    I hate peta (almost as much as bob torres) but I generally agree with their ad campaign. I don’t think every house should have a cute dog and cat (as they seem to say in the interview) and I think intentional breeding is stupid (or rather, irresponsible and perhaps inhumane). yup, it’s a rather cold-hearted and calculated stance. lemme take a soapbox and I’ll try to explain;
    firstly I’ll make some posits. I think animals and humans are equal. I agree with bookchin (and others such as michael albert) who say in the future we will view animal liberation in the same way we view abolition and other human oppressions.
    I think murder is horrendous and violence against animals (ie killing) must be stopped. I also think if we’re talking about suffering of animals and the way we kill animals that shelters, generally, kill their charges with humanity that some american states don’t show death row inmates. Factory farmed animals suffer by far way more than any animal in a city shelter – not to mention these farms are bastions of oppression. labour abuses, environmental devastation, human rights abuses as far as land use, they fund major capitalists and therefore some hideous politicians, etc.
    so. here’s the way I see it: If shelters were all made to go no-kill and the jobs of workers/activists there would be to go out to the community to convince people to adopt more animals otherwise there would be no spaces left in the shelters, a kind of “one man, one dog” mantra. But dogs and cats are carnivores. Do you know who the largest consumer of wild salmon is? the domestic cat. It’s a fucked up situation, but by either supporting no-kills your also arguing for increased factory farming, whether you like it or not. I say we offer free spaying/neutering to everyone who wants one for their companion animal, eliminate pedigree breeding and promote rabbits as a better pet.
    and no, despite what your ex girlfriend attempted, you cant turn a carnivore vegan. If your arguing that then I’d say your treating that animal like your slave as it would always choose meat over whatever you were forcing it through its own free will.

  • Comment by blackmetal666 on March 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm:

    First I’d like to say I really enjoyed that podcast. I had no idea that kill rates in some shelters were as high as they were. Second I had a question. Assuming most of you are advocates for animal rights, what do you think is the most ethical way to feed a companion animal (huge cat lover here haha)? I know that this issue is very tough for me in that I want to feed my cat something “ethical” and vegan, but also don’t believe I should force-feed my cat something it doesn’t naturally consume. Just curious…

  • Comment by bits on March 2nd, 2008 at 11:22 pm:

    I’ve had friends who insist their cats are vegan but I don’t buy it. Carnivores have evolved to extract what they need from meat (like our own deficient bodies with B13) and there’s nothing you could (or should) do about that. I think it depends on your financial situation – if you can afford free-range organic flesh go hard with it. I dont know, I used to have some cats (oh, Katpokin and Gnome Chomskat, how I miss you) and I fed it the canned stuff from a food co-op (usually chicken and turkey… anything land based as Mowats’ book “Sea of Slaughter” made me never ever want to kill anything from the water). I was in a college at the time in the shittiest city in the world so I couldn’t find a local butcher or anything but that would be ideal. I guess. Companion animals are one of those soft spots for me – i’ll never have children and I realize for the same reasons I shouldn’t “own” an animal, but I love them more than humans and having one makes life so much better.

  • Comment by diddee on March 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 am:

    I personally think cats should be straight up banned as pets in some communities. I once saw a nature show that documented feral house cats fucking shit up in Austrailia, threatening the existence of several species of native birds by climbing around trees and eating their eggs.

    And rats rival humans in their destructive capacities on new ecologies they enter. ‘Course their domain has expanded thanx to humans..

    I’ll never understand why people like cats as pets anyway. For the most part i just don’t think they’re all that stoked on humans — there’s some exceptions of couse. (calm down cat freaks.)

    Dogs are a totally different story tho. What amazing animals they are. They bring so much joy into so many peoples lives. And i think the feeling is mutual. Dogs are the best. CANINE SUPREMACY, yo.

  • Comment by bits on March 3rd, 2008 at 7:28 pm:

    and what do you feed it, dawg?
    oh man, I wish i had bling right now…

    so speaking of bob torres, he’s the only person I’ve heard talk about farm animals as workers and therefore leading a nice argument of animal liberation to marxists/anarcho-syndiacalists, where before they always moaned over how working class steak used to be and how serving tofu at organizing meetings alienates everyone. Has anyone ever heard of this argument from anywhere else? you can only harp on peoples’ conscience with pictures of bloody piglets and downers so many times before they’re desensitized and need some new persuasive arguments (at least for lefties aka the nearly converted)….

  • Comment by BrandonXVX on March 3rd, 2008 at 7:35 pm:

    On PETA:

    From what I’ve read, PETA picks up animals who are slated to be killed by gas chamber and they subsitute lethal injection, which they feel reduces suffering.

    I understand PETA’s concern about the “pet” population and that there are not enough homes for them all due to breeders and irresponsible caretakers who let their “pets” roam free. However, I think PETA should get out of direct involvement with killing healthy animals and let the blood be on the hands of those contributing to the problem. PETA should keep their focus on shutting down breeders, spay-and-neuter, and advocating adoption only and boycotts of pet stores that sell live animals (all of this they do, but it gets overshadowed and lost).

    PETA’s official position on the institution of “pet-keeping” is that it should be abolished: http://www.peta.org/...ns/ar-petaonpets.asp


    On Nathan Winograd:

    I listened to the interview and have been to his various websites. While I’m sure a lot of the stuff he says is true and valid, I question his credibility due to his shameless interview with the corporate front group Center for Consumer Freedom (see: http://www.consumerdeception.com/) that was promoted to attack PETA and other organizations:


    On vegan cats:

    Colleen Patrick-Goudreau does a podcast called “Food for Thought.” http://feeds.feedbur...tarianFoodForThought

    Listen to the show from March 20, 2007 to get her advice.

    In sum: cats are carnivores and must eat the flesh of animals to be healthy.

  • Comment by diddee on March 3rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm:

    I don’t actually own a dog, but if i did i’d have to go with something like http://www.karmaorga.../default.asp?id=1503

    The reason i don’t is cuz i live in a cramped apartment and i’m gone so much. It wouldn’t be cool for a dog..

    (Speaking of which, people who leave their dogs outside for most of the day tethered to a pole are pieces of shit if ya ask me. )

    I also think people should stick w/ little dogs – more economical (less food, less slaughter) easier to travel around with.

    But reptiles, rabbitts, cats, fish, etc., really have no need for humans that i can tell. When kepts as pets they’re simply prisoners. Let them roam free i say.

    As i stated earlier tho, most dogs really seem to be happy around people. Dogs and humans seem to live together perfect symbiosis..

  • Comment by diddee on March 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm:

    Ever hear those stories about folks who own snakes like boas and pythons as pets, sometimes for 20 or 30 years, and they become convinced that their snake has grown to love them? Then one night they wake up right before they die with their snake wrapped around their neck, strangling them.

    Don’t know why i brought that up..

    but anyway, what happened to veggie cat?

  • Comment by bits on March 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm:

    my cats I had to get rid of (or rather my roomie did) as i moved out and since I travel around a lot. so I have no pets. As for my aforementioned college friends I have no idea. Did you ever see the “Problem with Popplers” Futurama episode? There’s an old hippy who forces a lion to eat tofu and the lion of course is severely malnourished and rather pathetic looking. That’s what I imagine those cats would look like (if they survived and didn’t run away). Like I said, it’s a soft spot for me. I agree with you about most pets, but I can’t help but think having a small herbivorous pet is a good thing for kids, or yes, even a carnivorous cat or dog. I mean, if I had a hedgehog and let it run around my house and yard a lot, would that be slave-like and inhumane? it’s sad that we can only be around animals through owning pets and visiting zoos.
    man, i love those kinds of snakes and any animal that bites the hand that feeds it, like all true proles!

  • Comment by diddee on March 5th, 2008 at 12:46 pm:

    a HEDGEHOG??


    Never heard of anyone having a pet hedgehog. Has a funny ring to it. All things considered though, i guess it woudn’t be too bad from an ethical standpoint..

    However, you might run into some hygenic problems with one of them critters scurrying about the house, shitting & pissing all over the place, finding floaters in yer cereal, etc. I doubt you can house train them fellas.

    Anyway, i can think of one animal that makes a great guilt-free pet: SHETLAND PONIES!

    They’re both herbivores and capable of bonding w/ humans. In fact in some places little ponies have replaced seeing eye dogs as guideance for the blind.

    Ponies… HELL YEAH.

  • Comment by feloniousjive on March 6th, 2008 at 1:24 pm:

    I can never fully support PETA. Im a wildlife biologist (and vegan, mind you), and the mind-boggling numbers of native wildlife that cats and other pets-turned-wild (i.e. the mongoose in Hawaii) causes horrible damage to wildlife populations across the world and have caused the extinction of many species. In the U.S. alone, cats kill millions of native birds every year. Sometimes, you can do more for animals by eradicating invasive species…….most animal rights organizations dont seem to have the slightest grasp of this fact. Not that Im advocating that everyone start a grassroots-cat-murdering-campaign (band name anyone?), but I think you get the point.

    Keep your cats indoors!

  • Comment by bits on March 6th, 2008 at 9:26 pm:

    ponies? who are you – Randolph Jr. Burmingham III?
    dolphins bond with humans as well. should we all have dolphins?

    feloniousjive – has peta taken a stand for invasives? Or is that two separate things (your hatred of both peta and invasives)?
    I dislike peta for most of the reasons torres lists in his writings > they are money grubbing, have sexist campaigns, don’t always walk the talk, and their president seems to be pretty douche-like. doesnt she drive a mercedes? I think they’re great for providing info and a community where people can make a transition to their veggie utopias.

  • Comment by diddee on March 7th, 2008 at 12:54 am:

    I go by Randy.

    And hey, dolphins aren’t a bad idea. Now you’re thinking outside the box, bitsy!

    Also, i think PeTA would do well to lose the ridiculous, self-important, jet-setting Hollywood crowd. Oh how they make me sick..

    I think for most ordinary working folk the message gets lost in the sheer absurdity that emanates from these celebrity spokespeople..

  • Comment by English Tony on March 10th, 2008 at 6:21 am:

    I agree with diddee about Peta’s Hollywood crowd. It can feel the same as Live Aid for me, Bono’s high horse stance about making poverty history is laughable when you look at his weekly outgoings. I read an interview with Pamela Anderson recently, she was asked whats the stupidest thing shes ever done, she answered “wearing hug boots to an awards ceremony and not realising they were made from sheeps skin”. Doh! Come on Pammie, get real. I think with Peta, if you try to reasonably explain to people why your a vegan and let them see where your coming from, and even change their minds, then they log onto the site and see stuff like “are you the cutest vegetarian alive?”. Well its all just a bit daft isnt it really?
    If any of the Propagandhi boys are around to answer, what are your views on Peta? I can’t really decide if a “for the greater good” type of stance is a good thing when sexist ad campaigns and flakey celebs is their way of going about it.

  • Comment by D-Rock on March 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am:

    Although I am not a “Propagandhi boy”, I will give my brief 2¢ on PeTA. No, they are not the golden ideal of an animal rights organization from a progressive, lefty perspective. They are very much a one-issue organization. But one cannot argue against the fact that PeTA is largely responsible for much of the awareness there is today around veganism and animal rights.

    I don’t think their welfarist work helps anyone, and I am not an advocate of bigger cages and longer chains. But as someone who’s been vegan for almost 15 years, I can tell you that the world is a much friendlier place for vegans today than it ever has been. PeTA has been at the forefront of bringing the “vegan demographic” in front of the food industry and popular culture. And the more people that are vegan, the less animals die – period.

    It’s also important to credit the work done by the small, grassroots activists across the world of course. And those liberating animals directly from death and torture. It’s all part of a rich tapestry people. A rich, tasty tapestry.

  • Comment by bits on March 11th, 2008 at 9:25 pm:

    that’s true. I think we (I’m not sure the right word here)…leftys… are so conscious of working on liberation in all fields, taking no compromises, blowing hot air etc, that we lose sight of positive works when we can grasp smaller aspects to criticize. Just now I hit the peta sight to see and right away found myself criticizing – “their seal hunt campaign is pathetic, why didnt they just funnel the money to the seashepherds so all groups can work on changing it directly instead of letter writing campaigns and, worse, promoting faux fur”, “oh, wow, Miami Ink’s Ami James speaks out against fur but I highly doubt he uses vegan ink in his tattoos” and so on. It’s easy to judge and criticize and throw all the good work away with the bad.

  • Comment by DickShit on March 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm:

    In my opinion, the most compelling pitch for a vegan/ vegetarian diet is to direct the animal flesh eater/ raper to a film created by organizations such as peta.

    On more than one occasion, I have bared witness to the most unlikely candidates for a vegan diet (or so I thought) uncontrollably weeping following the viewing of some of these films (Earthlings anyone?). What’s more, I concur with D-Ho’s assertion that (“ska is a trend that must be eliminated”) peta has had a truly positive impact for vegans everywhere.

    I agree, however, that many of their campaigns are stupid: I mean Kowalski of all people topped the list of “sexiest fartitarians” the other year!

    On a similar note, fuck (“warped tour”) the seal hunt:


  • Comment by bits on March 12th, 2008 at 1:26 am:

    “On a similar note, fuck (”warped tour”) the seal hunt:”
    >> I dont get it.

  • Comment by saoirse on March 13th, 2008 at 10:15 am:

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    You’ll also get a cookie if you get that reference.
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    P.S. If your cat IS veggie, make sure they get some taurine! Its, like, important or some shit.

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