Comments on: Did Bush and Israel plan the attack on Lebanon months ago?

By: dumdiddee

dumdiddee — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:50:59 +0000

I just want to add that i hope no one thinks what i wrote is an apologia for nationalism or pathological ethnic pride, cos that shit is just plain dumb. I was just thinking out loud, i guess. What we need is more all-embracing humanism on the planet, which I think we all agree on.

By: dumdiddee

dumdiddee — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:54:04 +0000

I haven’t noticed anyone boasting or over-emphasizing tenous claims of jewish heritage, at least it hasn’t become the hip thing in my neck of the woods … yet anyway. But I could see how mass-media lionzing israel could have that effect. I have, however, found this to be the case with many people who claim native american descent. Seems like everyone wants a cherokee indian in their ancestry, but its totally superficial as 99.9% do fuck all for the few remaining native communities.

But I must say i that I do have some admiration for the Jewish community and find them in general to be quite fascinating. Look at how this small group of people have persevered through all the discrimination, ghettos, pogroms, etc. And look at how much this small group have contributed to the intellectual advance of humanity! Oh, and let’s not forget how they have maintained a sense of humor through all the madness (most of my fav comidians are jewish).

Now i’m not at all trying to take away from the historical plights of any other persecuted people, but the hatred of anti-semitism has been so extraordinrily intense and the perscution extradinarily savage. Jews have been blamed for everything under the sun: crop failures, blood libels, syphilus, capitalism, communism, prostitution. Whereas other peoples were thought by christian/europeans to be inferior creatures and treated like cattle and killed whenever they got in the way, jews have been identified as actual devils. Anybody read about that massacre in 1946(?) of Jewish holocaust survivors in Poland?? After all the horror and carnage of WWII you would think that people would just want to chill out for a while .. “oh no! a few jews survived the gas chambers!”

What the FUCK?

I forgot my point now.. oh wait, it’s just that if i was jewish I have a feeling that in my younger years i would have been like “yeah i’m jewish, and proud of it, you gotta fuckin problem with that!?” Emotion would trump reason. I probably would have wanted to go on a jihad against Germans. So my point is that I understand why some jews feel the way they do … at least from an emotional standpoint. Not that that gives them an license to treat ANYONE else like shit, mind you.

By: bits

bits — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:02:19 +0000

yeah, I’m also noticing more and more this judeo-fetishism occuring in both the right-wing fundamentalist side and also on the left-wing radical side. I saw two hebrew tattoos at a party a few weeks ago (only one actually being on a jewish person)and have caught many bits of conversations talking about who is jewish (and how cool it is) and defining heritage more and more as the 1/8th Jewish…has anyone else found this? I’m not saying there is anything wrong with this per se, and a lot of it may come from the fact that som many highly regarded intellectuals have been Jewish and are so well respected (eg Goldman, chomsky, zinn, many many others), I just hope it is not coming from the media propaganda that Israel is this great savior for humanity and some sort of peaceful jewel in a chaotic arab sea….

By: dumdiddee

dumdiddee — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:06:43 +0000

Also … ol’ Bits pretty much said what i was trying to say earlier, even though you wouldn’t be able to tell by reading my string of incoherent posts.

By: dumdiddee

dumdiddee — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:42:43 +0000

The funny thing about christian fundementalists and jewish zionists united in support of israel is that each party is in it for different, ultimately selfish ambitions. For some crazy reason Christians think the jews need to be in palestine for the rapture to occur despite the fact that these same jews will not be beamed up into heaven as they reject christ. The Jews have their own arrogant beliefs too in that they believe they have a god-given right to settle in palestine even at the expense of non-jews. As an aethist looking at this weird holy coalition, i can’t help thinking that after christians and jews coalese at a pro-israel rally each group goes home thinking of the other group as a bunch of suckers. Like in the simpsons when bart and homer each think they conned each other and walk away saying “sucker”.

I hope that made sense. i wish i had a properly functioning brain.

By: bits

bits — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:48:12 +0000

ugh I just read my post and realized I hadn’t really tied the two mini-paragraphs together. I wanted to say that the US can’t support Israel for purely economic reasons, as then they wouldn’t give a flying-fuck to whom the major dealers sold to nor would they care if Israel sold arms to say, Bolivia under Morales, or to Cuba. Also, I really do believe the present administration is not only talking as though they are christian fundamentalists, but that they ACTUALLY ARE, or at least many of them are or believe a substantial bit of the rhetoric they throw at the masses to keep their eyes on anything but their own lives/governance. Many an act of double-think undoubtedly occurs in the administration. When it is in their economic best interest to deal w/ perceived enemies (such as saudi arabia, iraq, etc), they don’t hesitate, while still believing themselves Christian soldiers. I think the US became involved in Israel more for religious reasons (way before balfour) and made it so that it became economically viable and the issues of having a readily available base for military operations against any arab country was really just a plumb.
Again, sorry to ramble and repeat myself as it is now 430 am I’ll meander to my warm bed and as a quick side note recommend Dario fo’s “accidental death of an anarchist” I just read it between these crappy repetitive posts and it had me grinning moronically.

By: bits

bits — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:18:18 +0000

oh yeah, and stephan, thanks for the you-tube link. rockin’.

By: bits

bits — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:14:11 +0000

in response to juggernaught - although US military aid/exports are a huge source of their power, I don’t think they produce as a way to achieve the end product (profit) but that they have such large military expenditures so that they can maintain power over most of the world. So to say the US are bum-buddies w/ Israel b/c Israel imports such a vast quantity of weapons doesn’t really make sense (especially since they recieve so much from US”AID”). If that were true then the US would be willing to sell arms to anyone in the market (and although they do sell a lot “under the table” I’m quite certain, they undoubedly have strict controls on making sure those pesky left-wingers are mainly leftout). Israel itself has it’s own fairly substantial arms production sector and look who they sell to: latin America (expecially against the sandanistas) in the 80’s and now Burma, one of the leaders in human rights abuses. Reading through all these (very well written) posts, I can’t help but see that pretty much everyone is correct to a point…although the question posed as a starting thread to this blog seems to have been ignored by all.

Also, I think if each person asked themselves if they truly believe in the rhetoric of the religious fanatics in positins of power in the US when they say they are supporting Israel for religious/humanitarian reasons. Does Bush really believe he is helping to bring “democracy” to other people, do many in power actually believe the “liberated” peoples of these countries, like lebanon, will come out and lay roses at the armies’ feet after a victory? The scary thing is that I think a lot of these men do believe it to a point. Never underestimatethe power of double-think.

anyways, i hope that made sense and the grammer is not too horrific, forgive me for its 3 am and rather cold out…

By: roxy

roxy — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:15:03 +0000

it all comes down to mans greed.. who has the power and connections to fuck up yet another country use their resources and become powerful and live in absolute bliss.. yippeee

By: Kamistan

Kamistan — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:18:38 +0000

I think the greatest question of them all is , how did Israel , who ‘expresses regret’ at civilian casulty , who has the most advanced weapons and intelligence , kill more civilians , ratio , than Hezbollah , who intentionally attacked civilans.

I try to hear out both sides , and scrutinize both equally but I’ve never liked Israel , especially because of the paternalistic attitude it’s adapted when dealing with their opponents .

But hey, the wrong apporach may actually achive greater aims , than simply eliminating their opponents.

Wouldn’t these people achive more by debating with their opponents , who are so convinced that Israel shouldn’t exsist , than using the same words , which aggrivates everyones.

In all honesty , the religion of Islam is the worst , when trying to assosiate to a cause , and it has created the hostile conditions to ….

http://news.bbc.co.u...dle_east/5312084.stm

Israel , a country which doesn’t give a shit for the u.n (which i slightly respect them for , vs the palastinians , which are weaker and get no respect, creates the perfect enviroment for expansion.

The only one way that this trickery can continue , if both sides have some shit smeared on their cause.