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• Comment by Danarcho on October 13th, 2006 at 5:14 pm:

  I have nothing relevant or intelligible to say. But I will say this in the spirit of the thirteenth day of the fifth day of the week of the tenth month of the two thousanth and sixth year of wonderful western civilization: I hate the shoot outs in the NHL.

  Oh and right now I’m at a stage in my life where the environment is fubar styled! But I’m no science guy, or gaia proponent…

  If it does recover, it will be long after our race is made extinct by some alien race who’s planet we try to colonize. OH YEAH I WENT THERE.

  Ok back to studying….

• Comment by 01101010 on October 13th, 2006 at 5:49 pm:

  weird, i was reading this right before i stumbled onto that picture yesterday.

• Comment by tom on October 13th, 2006 at 7:38 pm:

  actually, as long as mammals inhabit the earth, there will always be methane in the atmosphere. from fartomg. really.

  i’ve always been fascinated in what the world was like befoe the human touch tainted it. it’d be interesting to see a ruined city overgrown after our reign has ceased. i’m currently writing a song about how insects in the distant future evolve and find our “civilization” through archeology.

  our nuclear waste might stay for ever. i say we bundle up all the nuclear waste and fascists, and ship to jupiter!

• Comment by Joe on October 13th, 2006 at 7:51 pm:

  Interesting thinking. Maybe we now have an excuse to work on terraforming Mars and ruining it too.

• Comment by kate on October 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pm:

  have you crazy kids seen this?:

  http://www.ecofoot.org/

  ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT QUIZ

  “Ever wondered how much “nature” your lifestyle requires? You’re about to find out.

  This Ecological Footprint Quiz estimates how much productive land and water you need to support what you use and what you discard. After answering 15 easy questions you’ll be able to compare your Ecological Footprint to what other people use and to what is available on this planet.”

  [my] QUIZ RESULTS:

  CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

  FOOD 0.5
  MOBILITY 0
  SHELTER 0.3
  GOODS/SERVICES 0.2
  TOTAL FOOTPRINT 1.0

  IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 7.6 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

  WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

  IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.0 PLANETS.

  Hear that? ONE planet. Hooray for me! I guess the trick is to be really, really poor so you can’t afford fancy things like packaged food, public transport or a decent house to live in. Whoo hoo!

  (beer on tap counts as unpackaged food, right?)

• Comment by drew on October 13th, 2006 at 9:45 pm:

  thats a crazy fucking chart thingy. goddamnit what the fuck are we humans doing??!!?! thanks for posting this, it is pretty interesting to look at. i felt the same way with oryx and crake too….absolutely horrified and also hopeful. what an amazing book that was. (thanks propagandhi’s website for the recommendation).

• Comment by alex on October 13th, 2006 at 11:22 pm:

  reminds me of an awesome piece in this adbusters issue…

  *searches for it*

  the vanishees, by doug coupland, art by ken steacy.

  if anyone knows what i’m talking about… god, it was just… really thought-provoking.

  *finds it online*

  here: http://plerophory.co...ngs.thevanishees.htm

• Comment by dumdiddee on October 14th, 2006 at 1:12 am:

  The first thing I thought of when reading this post was the movie “12 Monkeys,” in which a few “hippies” try to make the world devoid of humans so that all other life-forms can live happily ever after.

  I hardly any faith in humanity myself, and I have reveled in some visions similar to Derek’s, but I don’t think it’s healthy or productive, and when my serotonin levels aren’t at low tide, I just can’t get behind such a “final solution”. Justice is entirely an abstract human concept that doesn’t much figure into nature’s plan. Natural disasters, viruses and predation ensure that suffering, sickness, violence and death would still exist without us.

  i fully believe we should do everything in our power to reduce suffering and to ensure that all other life can flourish around us. But it seems to me our best way of achieving this is not to bask in negativity, but to enjoy our own lives and live them to the fullest by living in harmony with nature and helping others. Denounce selfish assholes but also show them what good living is all about.

  And yes, I did write this touchy-feeling-happy shit with the help of mind-altering substances, so i’ll probably think differnt tomorrow but fuck it.

• Comment by Marc on October 14th, 2006 at 10:18 am:

  Serious question:

  Does this cost/benefit analysis seep into the personal equation of not wanting to live your entire life bummed out? 80-100 years of hopelessness and depression in your life sure is a huge price to pay for awareness about every global catastrophy.

  I feel like we’re training ourselves to never be content with the world, after all, why should we if the evidence says that it’s such a terrible place? But you know, I always read what Todd (the Rod) writes on the Propagandhi logs and he definitely has a very different tone relative to alot of leftist objectors.

  Bad shit happens, but it’s more productive to be happy than it is to be sad, or *perpetually * pissed off for the entire duration of your life. You’ll almost always be more productive. Anger is helpful, but to that point that I see in this blog post…I’m not so sure.

  Now if it’s either a question of losing consciousness about the world’s injustices for the sake of contentment or wasting your life as an aggravated person. I still have no fucking idea what I’de pick. But, I feel like Todd is a good example of someone who picks neither.

  Wishing for the end of human existence..I don’t know..it makes no sense to me. Were you being facetious?

  K bye

• Comment by D-Rock on October 14th, 2006 at 2:50 pm:

  Marc: I am half serious. Clearly, since I have yet to take my own life in an awe-inspiring and dazzling display of self-destruction, I do not walk around wishing for the extinction of humanity on a constant basis. I enjoy life more than it depresses me. This post is nonetheless representative of a very real side of not only myself, but G7 as a whole.

  In other words: DON’T TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY. GAWD. LIKE … GAWD.

• Comment by Marc on October 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pm:

  :)

  I know. I actually think I brought it up more for my own sake. Sometimes I find myself getting really depressed about everything and being powerless to make any significant change.

  I should excuse myself for using the board for my own self-reassurance :P.

• Comment by Hairhole on October 14th, 2006 at 10:39 pm:

  Oryx and Crake WAS a good book.

  And the Subhumans show last night kicked ass. ‘Fuck you’ is the coolest song ever. I was a little dissapointed to see that their shirts were made in Honduras though, I wanted one of those bad boys.

  Also, I ran into some guy that liked my Propagandhi T-shirt, and said he knew Jord and Chris, ’cause he was from their hometown. But then he went on to call them ‘too p.c’. So, naturally, I took him to the ground by smashing a half-full bottle of sleemans over his head, and kicked his nuts screaming “is this too p.c”, while crying and urinating in my pants.

  Join the voluntary human extinction Movement!!!

• Comment by bits on October 15th, 2006 at 6:29 pm:

  I find it…amusing…that most people who start to argue any point in the direction of human extinction also have to bring up the fact that there has to be someone in the future to appreciate just how beautiful the planet will be without us, through the eyes of aliens, future evoloved species or some sort of sci-fi time travel yarn. Why can’t it just be admitted that nature doesn’t need us with our outstanding intellect inorder to be a great thing? Is something not great if it can’t be admired and appreciated?…I have had the opinion that if about 60% of the population diassappeared tomorrow it would be grand (and yes thats equal over all peoples and does include me and the few loved ones I have. Especially us). Followed quickly by the rest.
  Baxter had an amazing trilogy – Manifold – that has the perfect depressing outcome while still being so hopeful in the “death to humans” way.

  — I don’t off myself only because its probably no different from death. Neither being very imortant nor useful, and neither is great enough to commit to either. Ah fuck. Where’s that bottle run off to…

• Comment by dumdiddee on October 15th, 2006 at 8:00 pm:

  Why can’t it just be admitted that nature doesn’t need us with our outstanding intellect inorder to be a great thing?

  I don’t think anyone has to be around with intellects like ours in order for nature to be a “great thing”. But show me where justice and compassion fit into nature’s scheme? I think we all should start by accepting the universal premise that “life’s a bitch and then you die”, and then try not to let it get us down by doing things to allieviate suffering and oppression.

  Go Pollyanna!

• Comment by bits on October 15th, 2006 at 8:51 pm:

  I hate using terms like “compassion” and “justice” when in relation to the animal/eco movements. Of course they are completly man-made concepts, assuredly made to make the “compassionate” one feel better about him/herself as it implies a hiearchy, that one being is above another but can be “compassionate” by throwing a few crumbs (and don’t even get me started on the idea of mercy). Killing someone quickly by injection isn’t “compassionate”, it’s just less painful than by the ol’ rope. And inevitablly “justice” would not be served in that case. I say when humans are gone and such ridiculous notions also dissapear, then, and only then can I do a lil’ jig. probably from the fourth level of hell.

• Comment by bits on October 15th, 2006 at 9:04 pm:

  don’t get me wrong, I believe everyone has a responsibility to live in a sustainable way, to speak up (as niemoller asked) for the exploited and oppressed and hope to always be able to say “if everyone lived the way I do, then many (but not all) of the problems I percieve will be gone or greatly reduced”. Not because I’m “compassionate” but because I’m living. This slightly contradicts some earlier posts which are more nihilistic because I have contradictory views which I think of levels (as in ideally everyone would die, but that’s not going tpo work at this moment so here are some major problems of why I think humans suck and I’ll try a tiny bit to help in that as I am here). I also have these levels in political actions, such as on one level only a revolucion that abolishes the capitalist system and puts in place a anarchist political and parecon economic setting will be adequate. But that’s not realistic on some levels right now so reformism is also necessary.
  Wow, did that make sense or am I rambling out my ass incoherently…I guess some of these ideas/philosophies/excuses for laziness can only be debated face-to-face

  go oilers indeed, if only because any team that can have such a unrepentably capitalist name is awsome. unlike the jets. what kind of name was that anyways?

• Comment by tom on October 16th, 2006 at 1:19 pm:

  the future belongs to children, and both suicidal maniacs and conservers must keep this in mind.

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 16th, 2006 at 9:59 pm:

  how come every one seems to have this nature/ artificial binary sorted out? the produce of the human races endevours still exist in entropy. the only nature left is that which hasn’t been deemed economically viable for exploitation, so where is nature in that case? i feel that it sttill exists in our very disgusting condition.

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 16th, 2006 at 10:00 pm:

  like, we are not aliens. are we?

• Comment by Gregnog on October 17th, 2006 at 11:22 pm:

  I just got back from the Propagandhi show at Kilroy’s in Thunder Bay and I can honestly say that was the best show I have ever been to. The boys were so tight especially with the addition of the Beaver. My ears are still ringing, my voice is gone and my back is sore from being right up front singing along to all the songs, but it was worth it.
  I also picked up The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson from their book stand and can’t wait to dive into them.

• Comment by drew on October 18th, 2006 at 6:54 pm:

  you lucky fucker!!!!! someday i’ll see them with the beaver…

• Comment by Hairhole on October 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pm:

  Fuck me. You lucky bastard. Could someone be so kind as to leave a set list on here, I’d love to know what songs they’re doing on this tour. It’s the least you can do for us poor assholes on the West Coast.

  D-Rock: for leaving more irrelevent dialogue, I’ll buy a book or two this month. I promise.

  At least I get a Leftover Crack show this month. The gay rude boys and girls are gonna’ take the dancehall back baby!!!

• Comment by tom on October 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pm:

  oh my god the beaver is the cutest, most adorable teddy-beaver boy guitar cutie pie i just want to hug and pet him 10 000 000 000 times.

  haihhole: the setlist was completely annihilating. they started with a speculative fiction and ended with purina hall of fame. the room was so sweaty and humid that the ceiling looked like a giant penis peeing on us. then chris made fun of todd`s testicle sizes and we all laughed. i was crushed. i died. intense!

  and the best thing is: i`m seeing them again tonight! MOTHERS!

• Comment by Hairhole on October 21st, 2006 at 7:37 pm:

  Fuck You Tom!!! This was their set list last year when I saw them in Bellingham and Seattle:

  A Speculative Fiction
  Fixed Frequencies
  Fedallah’s Hearse
  Ska Sucks (A drunk girl tryed to do this song, she sucked, then Chris told us to kick her ass. It was Hilarious)
  Less Talk More Rock
  Nation States
  apparently im a P.C. fascist
  Nailing Descartes To The Wall
  Bringer Of Greater Things
  Die Jugend Marschiert (Chris said this song was about an insidious video game that’s out there…called Donkey Kong.)
  Rock For Sustainable Capitalism
  Stick The Flag…well you know the rest
  Haille Sellasse,UP Your ass
  Life At Disconnect
  Back TO The Motor League
  Natural Disasters
  Todays Empires Tomorrows Ashes
  Iteration

  Encore

  Fuck the Border
  Hard Times (Cro-Mags cover)
  Mate Ka Koris Ukun Rasik An
  Purina Hall Of Fame

  Haille Salle into Life at Disconnect was the greatest thing I’ve ever heard. I had tears in my eyes after belting out those two beauties.

  I hope these shows are half as good as the ones I went to. I have a stirring in my loins that tells me that I think they are.

• Comment by bits on October 21st, 2006 at 8:31 pm:

  i love how the only g7 band ever refered to on here is propagandhi. I inserted a comment here about the other bands but erased it after I realized all my favs are “dead”. whoo propagandhi.
  heh.no really, the whoo was sincere…

• Comment by tom on October 21st, 2006 at 11:41 pm:

  tonight they played a day-glo and cromags cover and hopper sang! the beaver is the coolest lookig guy on the stage!

  i just want to thank, from the botto of my balckest of dirtuest farting hearts, HIRETSUKAN for coming t quebec. their music means so much to me, and i’m so happy they;re still together. also thanks to g7 for putting out their burning intense records!

  one more show in montreal then i’m done, FATHERS!

• Comment by alex on October 21st, 2006 at 11:45 pm:

  well i’d just like to say

  that is a kickin’ setlist

  goddamn i am excited

  please do not let me die before monday

• Comment by Jon UK on October 22nd, 2006 at 7:13 am:

  Cool blog.

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 22nd, 2006 at 10:49 pm:

  prop need to come to aotearoa. my freind is gettin to see em’ in london so I hear, that makes me jelouse

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 22nd, 2006 at 11:42 pm:

  or maybe its liverpool

• Comment by Hairhole on October 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 am:

  I just finished reading ‘diet for a new america’ courtesy of the g-8 good-bye committee; this book has both encouraged and confirmed earlier notions i’ve excercised that one: being a vegan is probably the best thing i am doing right now, and two: that those unable to comprehend the ideas behind not using animals for pointless self indulgence should be rounded up and shot.

  Not that I feel most humans are stupid, but I would be lying if I said I’ve never excercised the thought of the world being a better place without us. The least we can do is stop fucking with the planet through eating meat and blue cheese. If you don’t agree, I recommend that book. If you still don’t agree, I hope the jungle in your underwears comes to life and eats your sleeping body.

  p.s Dead Prez ‘lets get free’ is one the most badass records i’ve ever heard. Thanks again to g6 radio for the exposure; this farting, acne riddin’, whiteboy is very greatful.

• Comment by Jared on October 23rd, 2006 at 9:06 am:

  That is a ridiculous set list. But it’s not like Propagandhi will ever come to New York, so that sucks.

• Comment by drew on October 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 am:

  let’s get free is one hell of an album. its a million times better than their follow up album RBG.

• Comment by tom on October 23rd, 2006 at 2:35 pm:

  one must also keep in mind when discusing extinction, that two massive extinctions have already happened on earth. the first, the paleolithic extinction, happened 230 million years ago, and wiped out over 95% of all land, avian, and marine life. we are alive today because of a plant-eating mammal/reptile was one of the only species to cling to life. not just animals: all life. the second happened at the end of the jurassic age, ending the reign of the dinosaurs.

  both of these extinctions share the same impact theory- that a large asteroid cut into the earth releasing huge amounts of dust, volcanic ash, and methane gasses buried deep in the sea. the result of the meteor hitting and the resulting earth-encompassing blanket of carbon ash were only the beggining. after this catastrophic event, the entire earth would of had a winter for hundreds of years to come. this is not an ice age. what followed- global warming on a sudden, massive, unprecedented scale; the ultimate cause of the oceans warming a mere 5 degrees centigrade and thus releasing millions of tons of methan-nitrate into the atmosphere. unnatural (i.e. a meteor, not a natural process!), catastrophic, and immediate global warming was the final blow, wiping 75% of the species off the face of the earth.

  global warming and greenhouse gases, pollution and enviromental degradation are all things human life contributes too. life as we know it could end any time for reasons beyond our control, and yet here we are ensuring our demise regardless of threats from outerspace, the inner core of our planet, or the sun.

  we’re already in the process of the human extinction campaign. just because we are a unique species (thus far) does not make us immune, does not shield us from the fact that we are in the end nothing more than slightly smarter mammals slowly choking ourselves to death. it’s this fact that makes us the stupidest, most ignorant dip shit pieces of shit to ever walk this earth.

  but it’s still a beautiful place, full of wonder…

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 24th, 2006 at 3:39 am:

  tom, is a meteor unnatural because it is from outside of earth’s atmosphere? isn’t cosmic order still natural? even so, i think that abstact constructs and stuff could still be considered natural if the thought proccess that goes into the building of that construct was constituted at all by a reactionary thought or condition.

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 24th, 2006 at 3:46 am:

  the reason that i bring it up is cos i am skeptikal of binary theories as they often presuppose a universal morality.

• Comment by Craig on October 24th, 2006 at 8:03 pm:

  Crikey. Here’s a disjointed mind-dump.

  I guess I’m in the minority. I’m unapologetically pro-human. I have a right to life that is at least equivalent to any spotted-bald-eagle-owl-whale-fetus.

  I’ll share my world with other living creatures when I can, but heck, if it came down to me or them then I’ll choose me most of time. Yeah, it’s horribly selfish, but who cares. I’m not advocating unsustainable practices, but I’ve got no plans on slitting my wrists for the sake of a dolphin, either. And if it came down to me or the dolphin then flipper would be on the menu.

  Every great piece of music and every great book I ever read was created by a brilliant human who made this universe a better place by their existance.

  Man-made doesn’t necessarily mean unnatural. In fact, the idea that you can separate man from nature is, on some level, an expression of human conceit.

  I know some people here will read this as some sort of right-wing, pro-nukes, tear-down-the-rainforest rant… but it’s not. I just think that talking about the end of humanity as if it’s a good thing is a whiney emo, I’ve-got-black-nail-polish, teenage, juevenile thing to say.

  People kick ass.

  -Craig

• Comment by tom on October 24th, 2006 at 8:09 pm:

  yes, meteors are natural things, but they are not natural processes of the earth. they’re not a function of earth’s nature. do i make sense? they’re way more natural than what we’re doing, anyway…

• Comment by tom on October 24th, 2006 at 8:17 pm:

  could you tell me what a binary thought process is, and your definition of universal morality?

  oh and the show in montreal KICKED FUCKING SHIT-RIPPING-FARTING ASS! i hate sally and the acrobatical talents of GFK must be remembered. but none will match the-equivalent-to-a-blue-pulsar-imploding-event sonic destruction and lyrically assasinating-politician-poetry lyrics of HIRETSUKAN!!!!!!!!

• Comment by tom on October 24th, 2006 at 8:18 pm:

  …amd we pulled every stitch that they sew…

  HIRETSUKAN

  forever.FOREVER.

• Comment by drew on October 24th, 2006 at 10:01 pm:

  i know people here are privy on this information but its not everyday yahoo runs news on this shit:

  http://news.yahoo.co...onment_wwf_planet_dc

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 25th, 2006 at 3:13 am:

  well, i dont think that its so much a binary thought proccess as a condition that we have developed from being exposed to the modern project for generations, but basically, I would say that a binary thought proccess is our method of deducing an affirmative point or answer by acknowledging that point or answer only as the opposite of its other… its only other. (if theres spelling mistakes its cos i am half pissed) and in this way I feel that we can set our postion within an agenda of a universal morality [ie we ascribe our sense of justice to the other's society or culture by positing that all people agree that killing is wrong by mere virtue of its being 'human nature', and its being human nature means that this sense of justice crosses all gender, cultural and social boundaries, therefore we say that it is universally understood that it is wrong to kill or punish rapists and not raped and so on]. so yeah, i think that it is totally normal for westerners to marginalise the infinite points of view of any topic of discussion so we can ascribe a positive status to one point (our point)and a negative to the other.

  that might all be incoherent sorry

• Comment by tom on October 25th, 2006 at 1:43 pm:

  ahh i see. that’s interesting. i don’t really believe in imposing my beliefs on any others, but i do believe in people who share similar beliefs getting together and organizing. so i guess western foreign policy can be seen as imposing universal moralities upon other peoples. oh yeah. backed up with bombs.

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 25th, 2006 at 5:48 pm:

  and cultural hegemonic fast food outlets

• Comment by tom on October 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pm:

  yeah, i can see it now…

  Mc Donald’s Baghdad is proud to introduce:

  McFallafel!

• Comment by caítlin on October 27th, 2006 at 3:06 am:

  I’m sorry to say, but it actually exists, Tom. I was just looking for falafel recipes and I saw this;
  http://mideastfood.a.../r/falafelrecipe.htm

• Comment by terrorfearor on October 27th, 2006 at 3:29 am:

  ok thats it, im going to cut myself.

• Comment by nomeansno on October 30th, 2006 at 5:47 pm:

  this is really interesting. it’s unfortunate that (as it stands) for earth to survive ,(seemingly), is to kill us off. i think we’re just too far gone… can i please see a show of hands just so i know i’m not insane?

• Comment by tom on October 30th, 2006 at 7:18 pm:

  i’d say mother nature is more powerful than we imagine…we are doing horrible damage to this place, but the self-healing systems this planet has are absolutely astounding. nuclear poisoning can wreck havoc among her systems, remember that 200,000-1,000,000 years is but one tiny toot in a journey of 1000 farts.

  in either case, we must recognize that we are so small, such a tiny miniscule portion of this planet’s history. we are also tiny, though unique, in terms of the other species who are forced to share this place with us.

• Comment by caítlin on November 1st, 2006 at 10:05 am:

  As it is World Vegan Day (and also Cake Appreciation Day, Play a game of chess day, and Nutty Pecan day, to give you some idea of it’s importance) and this is a thread about the environment, celebrate by eating spicey hummous and reading some of this;
  http://www.animallib...rg.au/envleaflet.php
  http://www.vegetaris...3&ss=4&sss=1
  http://www.animallib...n.org.au/vegconf.php
  http://www.ivu.org/a...als/environment.html

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