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• Comment by tom on March 3rd, 2006 at 5:53 pm:

  please do ignore me. i think that the second podcast is way better than the first, because chris doesnt talk as ahem i mean the interview brings up alot of good points about the iraeli occupation. good questions are asked, and the jon elmer dude answers them really well, offering different points of view. i thought he was just some camera dude. i especially liked how he brought up the word “withdrawal” as a term with legal implications as opposed to “dis-engagement” which turns out to be a crock of shit.

  hockey’s not bad if it’s not professional. especially not the leafs. i guess ill never understand how ANYBODY could like the leafs. the music is good and youre very funny. “the west bank, the gaza strip”. hahaha.

  i would suggest and encourage more “political” commentary and a more duverse selection of music. but its really funny and i even learned something from number 2. live hiretsukan set!

• Comment by SAm on March 3rd, 2006 at 8:34 pm:

  i enjoy this. it is a big improvement from the first show. it was enjoyable hearing your take on the muhamed comics.

• Comment by vaginaterian on March 3rd, 2006 at 9:02 pm:

  anyone else have trouble downloading these programs? I was able to download the first episode once, but every other time i have tried to download an episode i end up with a blank web page.

• Comment by marc on March 3rd, 2006 at 11:43 pm:

  As far as aesthetic flow, Derek and Chris go well together on radio..real clever and funny.

  I really thought this episode was great with John’s appearance. I thought it was kind of hilarious when Chris would act like a goof and John would respond continuously in persistant seriousness.

  Also, I just want to note that I haven’t heard a majority of the music/bands on these two podcasts, and it definitely is some rocking shit.

  What would be kinda cool is if Chris/Derek/Jord/Todd/guest could share some personal experiences…like how they arrived at some positions on certain issues..what was the final straw that turned them vegan..any special event in the past/recent past worthy of telling. I think I vaguely remember reading about Chris’ father being in the military, I always wondered if there was a huge idealogical rift going on there..or a draft. Maybe it hits too close too home, whatevs. Maybe even shit on how they got better at guitar…fuck knows I, and anyone else who sucks, needs the advice.

  Fuck i’m tired of typing.

• Comment by LJ on March 4th, 2006 at 6:37 am:

  This show is awesome. Nice to see some informative world affiars on the second show. Funniest part so far though is the GMAC advert on the first show haha. I couldnt imagine a better radio sow. Politics, dumb voices and cool bands.

  Keep it up guys.

• Comment by D-Rock on March 4th, 2006 at 9:23 am:

  Vaginaterian (ha) – if you’re using iTunes to listen to music on your computer, click here to subscribe to the podcast.

  Otherwise, right-click this link, and choose “Download link to disk” or “Save file” or something similar, and it should download the MP3 of the while show.

• Comment by justin on March 4th, 2006 at 11:38 am:

  i was listening to this during class, and actually burst out laughing at derek’s imitation of chris’ vocals. thanks alot guys for allowing me to confirm what my prof’s already knew; that i am an idiot.

• Comment by Jennifer on March 4th, 2006 at 5:34 pm:

  Both podcasts were different, and I guess I liked them equally. I think for the first few episodes, you should make the subjects of the podcast vary – the first episode was more of an exposure of music, your personalities and an establishment for how utterly hilarious you guys are. The second episode focused more on political issues. Like someone mentioned before, you guys should talk about your past experiences with getting into politics, and if any G7 artists are releasing something soon, you can use the radio show as another medium for advertisement. (maybe a Propagandhi interview to promote the vinyl release, hm?) Making everything (politics, humor, music) relevant shouldn’t be a problem, it might be an idea to shift focus a tad bit on each episode. Some (stupid) ideas: vegan recipies!, responding to questions posed to you guys through e-mail or something, playing shit music and dismantling everything that’s wrong with it. Etc.

  Whatever you decide to do, please continue on with this idea! You guys ditched your message board, those monthly special-price deals, and making shirts, so this would be the best you can do for the G7-consuming public. I’m seriously loving it.

• Comment by caítlin on March 4th, 2006 at 7:12 pm:

  Music + humour + intelligent politics = orgasm.
  Or close.
  Any show that proves me right on the ol’ “its not rude to burp during serious political commentary” issue is worth listening to.
  Seriously, it could have been disastrous but I doubt there are many people better equipped to deal with political issues than those with such brilliant and ridiculous senses of humour. A million times more motivating than those dry, selfinduglent and depressing left radio guys.

• Comment by drew on March 4th, 2006 at 8:48 pm:

  both episodes are really great. you guys have somethin special here. keep it up. not only do we get to hear great music (a lot of it being new to me) but chris and dereks humour is just about the best thing ever. and its informative. having guests is a great idea for the show. you guys are making listening to the radio fun again and its very creative. ok. enough licking g7’s balls for the nite.

• Comment by Jason Schreurs on March 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pm:

  What, no KREATOR!!!!!!!!!!!

  Good job, guys. Keep it up!

• Comment by Yaniv on March 4th, 2006 at 11:24 pm:

  Yeah, I concur both shows were great. I definitely would like to hear Greg, Todd, Jord, or anyone else related to G7; not to say Chris and Derek haven’t hitherto made a great job – they have, facetiously. But rather, that more people, including G7 bands-members and speakers, would enliven the show if they participated like Elmer did. In the same fashion that the occupations of Palestine and Iraq were addressed by someone with ample first-hand experience, perhaps you could get Churchill to speak on any recent issues concerning Indigenous peoples in North America, or invite someone like Sue Coe to discuss animal-rights. Likewise, you could use the show to promote any forthcoming events, like everything that’s scheduled to aid Mondragon.

  For my part, I encourage Chris to unabatedly continue playing old, politically-driven thrash (Sodom comes to mind) or even bands from other metal realms like old-school death and black metal, though I’d understand the disparity of sound it would engender in a playlist containing hardcore and folk tunes.

• Comment by LJ on March 5th, 2006 at 6:28 am:

  Just a quick not to say Fart Wreck Chords are ripping your idea off. Fat Mike and Floyd have made a show… their guest was El Hefe.

  G7 Radio is just slightly more kickass than Fat.

• Comment by drew on March 5th, 2006 at 10:49 am:

  Fat’s podcast was somewhat amusing but it doesnt have shit on G7 radio.

• Comment by Danarcho on March 5th, 2006 at 2:22 pm:

  What the hell is a podcast…………….

• Comment by drew on March 5th, 2006 at 5:20 pm:

  “What the hell is a podcast…………….”

  copy and paste this link and you will know what it is.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast

• Comment by Al on March 6th, 2006 at 4:08 am:

  About the danish cartoons.
  There’s more to it than muslims being pissed off at the west.
  The riots are a result of danish imams organazing a rebbelion against scandenavian newspapers. 90% of muslims are illiterates, and easily mobilized. Most of those rioting probably never saw the cartoons in the first place, and were told they (the drawings) were much worse.
  Maybe that’s why the reaction was so extreme.

• Comment by Wilson on March 6th, 2006 at 4:10 am:

  I enjoyed the music and interesting political discussions but it would be great to hear you mention the most important issue: 9/11
  Many people have pointed to a coverup of U.S. government complicity with research to back it up.
  David Ray Griffin, Jim Hoffman, Michael C. Ruppert, Barry Zwicker(canadian) to name a few.

  Prof Steven E. Jones heads a group “Scholars for 9/11 Truth” http://www.st911.org

  This is the most important issue in the world in my opinion and it needs to be adressed.
  The alternative media is silent, Democracynow wont touch it.
  The U.S. government is complicit in the murder of 3000 of their own citizens, then uses it repeatedly to justify foriegn wars. We know they le about every single fucking thing but we still blindly accept their version of 9/11.
  Please adress the elephant in the room

• Comment by Danarcho on March 6th, 2006 at 7:59 am:

  Thank you, Drew.

  Is G7 trying to subliminally convince me to purchase an ipod and/or other digital video mp3 device? Rest assured the answer is yes. Oh and the show was good. As someone who talks into a microphone knowing well that nobody is listening (www.purevolume.com/rhythmandnoise), um, I’ve lost my train of thought. Anyway, I would not mind skipping the rest of March and spiraling headfirst into April. Mostly because I turn 19. And second mostly because March weather sucks. But third mostly for the new G7 radio show.

• Comment by drew on March 6th, 2006 at 9:02 am:

  Wilson,
  there are many conspiracy theories circling the whole 9/11 thing. i highly highly suggest you read this article:

  http://www.zmag.org/.../julaug02shalom.html

  anyone confused/frustrated with the 9/11 conspiracy theories should read this. michael albert really clears a lot of things up.

• Comment by drew on March 6th, 2006 at 9:04 am:

  Wilson,
  one more thing. there is a reason democracy now and other alternative media wont touch that issue. the link i posted above may give you an idea why.

• Comment by tom on March 6th, 2006 at 11:07 am:

  AI:

  “90% of muslims are illiterate, and easily mobilized.”

  do you mean muslims can’t read english or that muslims can’t read at all? i honestly thought prejudiced generalizations were a thing of the past. all the people ive met who identify as muslim are intelligent, humourous and rational people.

  i think the media is quick to ignore how many extremist people (whatever their respective religions might be) reside in the west. and if not ignored, then glorified. in my opinion, they portray all arabs and muslims as extremists. while in canada and the US, a womans right to choose is under serious attack due to our own governments’ religious fundamentalism. it seems to me that no matter what religious doctrine we may live under, women are always the first to suffer. just an opinion.

  just curious as to where you get your sources from?

• Comment by v on March 6th, 2006 at 11:20 am:

  i just read that article and it doesn’t prove a thing. all it does is give you reasons not to question the official story and reasons to call conspiracy theorists ‘crazy’. it also fails to address most of the real serious evidence surrounding the events that suggest something other than the official story actually happened. furthermore, instead of taking into account the rationality of the serious theorists (who in fact do not have conflicting theories, and must be seperated from the loons) and the scientific ways in which they present and address their evidence, the writers of this article just lump them all together and explain away the craziest aspects using circumstantial and irrelevant evidence.
  you should read some of the more rational and scientific theories… they have extensive reports with pretty interesting evidence.

• Comment by D-Rock on March 6th, 2006 at 1:03 pm:

  Thanks for all the comments people, keep ‘em coming. We mainly just want to be reassured that we are indeed funny. Clearly there are validation-deficiency issues around here.

  We do plan on more commentary and interviews with people who actually do things in the world. We don’t plan so much on trying to talk up G7 and G7-related music or bands. We have a general policy idea of NOT playing any G7 bands, or interviewing G7 subjects. If we do have any G7-affliliated band members on the show, rest assured we won’t be talking about anything related to their band. Frankly, we do not wish to include ourselves in the deluge of labels launching podcasts merely as a new marketing tool. That is really, really boring.

  Jason: KREATOR coming next month!

• Comment by D-Rock on March 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pm:

  … it would be great to hear you mention the most important issue: 9/11. Many people have pointed to a coverup of U.S. government complicity with research to back it up. This is the most important issue in the world in my opinion and it needs to be adressed. The alternative media is silent, Democracynow wont touch it.

  It may very well be interesting to discuss on the show … but in a nutshell, let’s remember that the U.S. has never had trouble finding reasons to go to war, and by and large, the U.S. public has never had much trouble swallowing those reasons. Perhaps 9-11 was a false-flag operation … and so what? If it came out in full force, Bush would go down, yes. Bad apples in the administration, better get the Democrats back in. And then what? Then nothing. Let’s remember that Clinton unleashed more death during his term than Bush Sr. did. There will always be a new reason to go to war … Calling the 9-11 false-flag theory “the most important issue” is a mistake. 9-11 is already passé in this administration … we’re on to enriching uranium now, haven’t you heard?

• Comment by mikea on March 6th, 2006 at 2:21 pm:

  a pleasure to hear you (and J. Elmer) guys again.

  too bad the “show” is only monthly…..

  ….couldn’t believe my eyes when i saw Man Lifting Banner on the track list!: commitment! commitment! to communism!…..

  …for those interested in the Muhamad caricatures “affair”, here are some links to some really interesting articles on the subject, courtesy of Counterpunch:
  http://www.counterpu.../mooney02182006.html

  http://www.counterpu...neumann02132006.html (this one’s amazing)

• Comment by Wilson on March 6th, 2006 at 11:00 pm:

  Thank V for making the point I would have.
  That article is full of generalizations and lacking in specifics. I was very dissapointed but not surprised it did not adress the Collapse of WTC 1 2 and 7 which are scientific anomolies!
  There are a whole lot of stupid theories that are not worth adressing,(whihc your article did) but that shouldn’t blind people from the valid evidence and questions that need to be adressed.

  The only way your going to realize this Drew is if you do some research yourself.
  http://www.911research.wtc7.net
  Check out Prof Jones peer-reviewed paper
  http://wtc7.net/arti.../stevenjones_b7.html

  D-Rock
  This Myth that they created WILL affect us directly if it is not adressed. It already has, Bill C-36 was passed in Canada soon after 9/11. There doesn’t pass a day in with the words “Terrorism” or “9/11″ are not used as justification for legislation and military action that would otherwise have non.
  You think if people realize this they will just vote democrats and that will be that???

  whatever, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut. It’s not important right? lets talk about Gaza

• Comment by Wilson on March 6th, 2006 at 11:14 pm:

  I also wanted to mention that some alternative media have been waking up to this issue – even ones that are linked to this site such as ProjectCensored.

• Comment by D-Rock on March 7th, 2006 at 12:12 am:

  Wilson: Uh, I don’t think anyone’s asking you to “keep your mouth shut.” I’m just saying that I feel that given the plethora of insane criminal actions that the various US administrations have carried out in the past 5 decades – and the fact that many of them were hardly kept secret – the revelation that 9/11 had some degree of government involvement is in no way guaranteed to be a watershed for truth, justice and democracy in the world.

  One could argue that the various bits of info regarding 9-11 and gov’t involvement have been planted as distractionary propaganda to keep people from working on the issues at hand – Iraq, Afghanistan, U.S. nuclear arms proliferation, etc, etc, etc.

  I’m just sayin’ is all.

  Now I’m going to watch “Painful Deceptions”.

• Comment by D-Rock on March 7th, 2006 at 12:13 am:

  Can we go back to talking about how funny the radio show is now?

• Comment by Danarcho on March 7th, 2006 at 9:00 am:

  You guys should bring on some conspiracy theorist to the show then kick him/her to the road when she/he tries to tell people that nobody listens to him/her. I like that.

  Oh and here’s a suggestion I came up with all by myself but I don’t know if someone else has already suggested it (not like I have time to read all the posts with my unemployed ass): Make the show longer! Sure, you’ll probably run out of things to talk about, and you’ll get fidgety for sitting there for more then an hour, then tell people how bored you are, and then get into your more personal problems concerning your bowel movements, but you can just play more music to lengthen the show.

  Oh and back to the conspiracy theorist idea, you should stick more subliminal messages. Get people to make you dinner or something.

• Comment by Al on March 7th, 2006 at 12:04 pm:

  “do you mean muslims can’t read english or that muslims can’t read at all? i honestly thought prejudiced generalizations were a thing of the past”

  Guess I was a bit unclear.
  I of course meant muslims in the arab world.
  The arab states have a very high illiteracy percentage.

• Comment by v on March 7th, 2006 at 2:55 pm:

  “90% of muslims are illiterate, and easily mobilized.”
  “Guess I was a bit unclear.
  I of course meant muslims in the arab world.
  The arab states have a very high illiteracy percentage.”

  The rates are high compared to the more developed nations, yes, but not one of them is anywhere near 90%. The highest are around 50%, while most are well below 50%. However, you have raised an important issue (which maybe the G7 show can address, although it won’t be very funny), illiteracy is a problem throughout several regions of the world. Mainly Africa and Southeast Asia, and parts of the middle east. Still though, nowhere near 90% in the ‘Arab States’.
  And as far as muslims in the Arab world being easily mobilized, do you really think that people of any religion in any country are not mobilized just as easily? Maybe the people there are just tired of being bombed without seeing the wonderful things our newsmedia tells us are the results.

• Comment by tom on March 7th, 2006 at 5:58 pm:

  maybe illiteracy is the result of economic terrorism, eh?

• Comment by Al on March 7th, 2006 at 5:59 pm:

  Sorry about the inaccuracy, there. I was way off.

  “And as far as muslims in the Arab world being easily mobilized, do you really think that people of any religion in any country are not mobilized just as easily?”

  No i dont think so.
  Many arabs live under what one could call a theocratcy.
  Many arabs (still in arab countries) can’t read the newspapers, or have any tradition, or possibility for obtaining information through
  various activist media, or what have you, like we do.
  Religion is the highest auhtority.

  There is definately some scary conservative christian activity in my scandenavian country, here – but that’s so small in comparison.
  Free speech is the religion we (pretend to) practice.

  Burning embassies because of cartoons is crazy. Out of context. (Like Derek and Chris discussed). Danish imams mobilizing this rebellion against the scandenavian cartoons, greatly distorting the facts of what is in them, (most arabs probably not having seen them) is another piece of information to help understand the context.

  Yes, Arabs have every right to rebell against the west. I’m not trying to debate that.
  But no one burned the flags of the arab countries who’s newspapers printed the same drawings. No one (as far as I know) burned the american flag when the guards at Guantanamo bay burned the Koran (which muslims hold higher than Mohammed). The specific rebellion against scandenavian newspapers, and the seemingly extreme reaction to them, can partly be explained by the danish imams mobilizing this. That’s all I was trying to say.

• Comment by Al on March 7th, 2006 at 6:01 pm:

  *theocracy

• Comment by j.r. on March 7th, 2006 at 9:22 pm:

  derek, you can rest easy tonight, you guys are very funny. i’m surprised chris has not brought down any Venom, Possessed, etc. yet. “at war with satan” is always good.

  what? who said that?

• Comment by Wilson on March 8th, 2006 at 12:27 am:

  “One could argue that the various bits of info regarding 9-11 and gov’t involvement have been planted as distractionary propaganda to keep people from working on the issues at hand – Iraq, Afghanistan, U.S. nuclear arms proliferation, etc, etc, etc.”

  I would like to see someone argue that.
  One could also argue that all of the bullshit ideas about 9/11 (e.g.no plane hit the pentagon) were planted so they could be easily debunked to discredit and overshadaw more solid evidence.

  I’m just sayin’ the 9/11 issue directly relates to current issues…if government complicity in 9/11 is made public knowledge, the justification for many current atrocities will crumble. There is a rapidly growing activist movement around this issue and I think it warrants atleast some dicussion.

  Also, the show is really funny, keep it up.

• Comment by drew on March 8th, 2006 at 8:18 pm:

  wilson,
  im not saying that i just outright deny that maybe the u.s. did have some fore-knowledge about 9-11. i was just bringing up the fact that its (i think) important not to get too wrapped up in conspiracies. yes, a lot of conspiracies generally do have truth to them as they tend to focus very much on facts. but, what the article that i linked to discusses is that when people focus only on conspiracies, it overlooks the more important questions that should be asked, and critiques that should be made about institutions and societal systems that cause all this crazy stuff to happen in the first place. does that make sense? does what im trying to say make sense to anyone? derek? the article explains it a lot better than i just did. i was just trying to give a brief explanation of why i put the link to it.

  oh and for the record and for reassurance for derek: CHRIS AND DEREK ARE BY FAR THE FUNNIEST RADIO SHOW HOSTS ON THIS PLANET.
  (i sincerely mean that.)

• Comment by Wilson on March 9th, 2006 at 12:42 am:

  I understand what your saying. The institutions and systems allow these horrible things to take place.
  Why not expose these horrible things so more people understand how truly detrimental these systems are?
  For someone who has spent a great deal of time researching 9/11 that article is somewhat insulting and displays its ignorance.
  Using the same tactics, that article could just as easily debunk the “official” conspiricy theory that was given by the government and accepted by the general public without evidence.

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 9th, 2006 at 4:57 pm:

  I totally agree with Wilson regarding 9/11 and finally there is a G7 Blogger who can sift through the Bull Shit and realize how fucking criminal this administration is. 9/11 is a turning point in our history and should be researched. It was an inside operation and that is not a conspiracy theory it is a fact.

  There are piles of evidence including the infamous Building 7 being pulled (destroyed) admitted by Larry Silverstein the owner of WTC Complex the day off 9/11. Controlled demolitions takes weeks to plan there is no fucking way the explosives were placed in the building in 1 day. Many other facts include insider trading of American Airlines Stocks, Marvin Bush running security for WTC Complex, NORAD Standing down, Jet fuel does not have enough heat to melt steel.

  If just one of these facts are true than it is not a conspiracy theory it is a fucking theory.

  And Drew that ZMAG article is a whitewash!! I will never go to there site for news again they obviously have some motive to cover up the facts of 9/11

  Rock on

• Comment by drew on March 9th, 2006 at 8:33 pm:

  Neo_conned,
  i never ever said anything about the bush administration not being criminal. of course they fucking are. everyone should hopefully know that by now. but at the same time im not paranoid enough to think that they full well knew in advance what exactly was going to happen on 9/11, and let it, just so they would have justification for going to war. as derek pointed out, the US has never ever had trouble finding reasons to go to war. they are masters at it. so to say they competely knew that 3000+ people were going to die for a reason to go to war is where the whole conspiracy thing comes in, tying all of the events leading up to it. i know what you are talking about, i have seen “truth and lies of 9/11″ i have read random articles about what you are telling me about, i have seen the timelines that try to prove that the administration was fully aware of what was going to go down on 9/11. as for the Znet article, that is anything but a whitewash and is a very important article. you’ve got your head wrapped a bit too much up in conspriacies my friend. most credible alternative media outlets do not buy into this conspiracy. dont get me wrong, there are many, many unanswered questions about the whole thing, but i dont think its as black and white as, YEP, Bush knew, and thats it.

  “once you’ve convinced yourself, the universe falls into place.”

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 9th, 2006 at 10:53 pm:

  http://www.question911.com/links.php

  check this out ..

• Comment by Wilson on March 9th, 2006 at 11:26 pm:

  You might want to ask yourself drew,
  why do you and the “most credible” alternative media buy into the conspiracy theory put forth by the governemnt? why?

  Right now there are Canadian soldiers dying in afganistan and the governemnt has rejected any debate on the justification. Would they be there without 9/11?

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 9th, 2006 at 11:48 pm:

  http://www.infowars.com/resources.html
  more evidence

• Comment by v on March 10th, 2006 at 11:15 am:

  it is not simply justification for the war in Iraq or Afghanistan that has come out of nine eleven, all of the important issues d-rock pointed out are effected as well. this event has given this administration the justification to horde more power to the white house than has ever been done in american history. it has made the american public willing and able to go along with anything this government says in the name of security. i am on the streets of NYC everyday and i see how complacent people have become. the impact of nine eleven is incalculable. tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians (men women and children) have died thus far. their infrastructure and economy are completely ravaged while the rebuilding contractors take kickbacks, and spend government money on sex slaves and anything else they want. not one of us can imagine what it would be like if a foreign country invaded and destroyed ours in the name of freedom, while our cities are destroyed, and our people die. what’s the cause of all this? nine eleven. increased defense contracts, oil contracts, rebuilding contracts all to friends of administration officials, why? nine eleven. reduced civil rights here at home, illegal wire taps, including on peaceful protest organizations labeled as terrorists. why? nine eleven. i could go on for years.
  yes i think an investigation into the matter is pretty fucking important. all this, and the vast majority of the american population doesn’t give a fuck. completely willing to take it. i see that everyday. why? because of lies. its not just looking at the event… it’s looking at everything that’s happened in the world thereafter. it’s all connected. and there’s an historical context beyond that, going back decades. its not conspiracy theories… it’s history.

• Comment by drew on March 10th, 2006 at 11:46 am:

  V,
  i understand exactly what you are saying. i think you may have misunderstood what i was saying.

• Comment by v on March 10th, 2006 at 12:32 pm:

  thanks, i don’t think i have misunderstood you, i think we just disagree.
  and just to note, i have not seen ‘truth and lies of 9/11′ or any other movies anyone has mentioned, so this is not where i’m getting my information. i don’t want you to think i’m spewing some shit i saw in a movie. i haven’t even seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet,(which i take shit for from some people, is it any good?).
  i’m not paranoid, and i’m not completely wrapped up in conspiracies either. i’ve just simply studied history for a long time, and may have different views than you.
  have you heard of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC)? well if not you should look it up. Their platform in the late 90’s was getting GW elected. They achieved that. You can check out what they’re about for yourself so I don’t have to say it on here.
  also, credible alternative media may not want to touch these “conspiracy theories” because they would lose credibility. not because the theories don’t hold water, but because people are not ready to believe it. as soon as they advocate it, they’re attacked as lunatics, conspiracy nuts, etc…. the same thing that’s happened to the people who do advocate it now (previously respected academics). which is basically what that article you posted did. people and organizations who have something to lose might not want to risk saying something thats unthinkablly controversial.
  i’ve written way too much, and must get back to work, i’m done for a while.

  there’s no hard feelings here, if i have misunderstood, sorry, i respect you and your intelligent opinions.

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 10th, 2006 at 1:34 pm:

  V
  I agree with you totally PNAC and CFR are the two major Neo-Con think tanks that control U.S. Foreign Policy.

  One must examine ” Who stands to gain ” ? from 9/11. It is not the so called terrorist, It is not the American people, who really gained from the events of 9/11.

  If one examines the history governments attacking their own population and blaming it on false enemies it has happened. Hitler burning the Reichstag ( German parliament) and blaming it on communists, Nero burning Rome and blaming the Christians. One can look no further than the Operation Northwoods declassified US govt document calling for the self inflicted wounds ( sinking of American ship, blowing up a plane with college students) as a pretext to invade Cuba.
  V is right it is not a conspiracy theory it is history.

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 10th, 2006 at 1:37 pm:

  http://video.google....amp;q=loose+change+2

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 10th, 2006 at 1:38 pm:

  more evidence above…. check it out yall

• Comment by drew on March 10th, 2006 at 4:32 pm:

  wilson and V,
  i am not doubting that you guys know a lot of history. i am sure you do. but i do doubt you know nearly as much as people like zinn and chomsky and blum. did you ever wonder why they havnt said the US had complete foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks and was complicit in them so there would be justification for war? because that notion is generally regarded as conspiracy theory and it gets pretty sketchy once you delve into that stuff. like i said, im not denying the criminality of the bush administration, im just simply discussing the conspriacy theories surrounding 9-11. I have a hard time too, its so hard to know what to believe these days and what is really going on. its definitely a tough subject.

  yes V, no hard feelings of course.

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pm:

  Doesn’t the fact Zinn, Blum or Chomsky wont talk about 9/11 being an inside job or even question the official story prove there are limits to what or so-called political intellectuals and pundits can talk about.
  Chomsky’s like many others feel 9/11 was provoked by the US foreign policy. Which can be argued because it has merit. But if Chomsky investigated the holes the size of a fucking 747 in the 9/11 official story and the “o”mission report. He would certainly question the validity of the attack.

  I agree Drew that bickering about the issue may sometimes get us all distracted or sidetracked. But once someone realizes the reality of 9/11 it is hard to sit back and be complacent.

• Comment by tom on March 10th, 2006 at 6:57 pm:

  i dont think the enormous amount of crimes and atrocities that the amercican administrations commit would cease, even if Bush and Clinton administration were found to be guilty or complicit in the events around 9-11.

  the fact is that State and Corporate powers have exempted themselves from any form of law, be it international or domestic.

  and there is a war being fought in iraq, in afghanistan, threats of sanctions against iran. you cant let someone go on commiting crimes while your accusing them of one from the past. you stop the motherfucker. so lets stop the motherfucker, motherfuckers!

• Comment by tom on March 10th, 2006 at 7:53 pm:

  and the show is funny in the context of critical political analyses. context, context, context!

• Comment by cranks on March 11th, 2006 at 3:43 pm:

  the show is quite hilarious! one thing really stands out for me though… Toronto Maple Leafs? oh, chris….. why do you do this to yourself? :-(

• Comment by v on March 12th, 2006 at 10:10 am:

  drew,
  like i said about alternative media sources not touching these ideas, the same applies to the likes of Zinn, Chomsky, and Blum. The second one of these respected academics takes this stance, they will plastered all over corporate media as conspiracy nuts. they know this. they know the risk, and the damage that would be done to their reputations by the mainstream media. Just look at what happened to Ward Churchill a while back. The news made him out to be a liar and lunatic, and the VAST majority of the population (who hadn’t heard of him previously) bought in immediately. the same type of thing would happen to these folks. Again, NOT because of whether or not the theories hold water, but because they turn it into a war of rhetoric. As soon as someone more well known jumps in, its over. The media will jump at the chance to discredit the theory and the proponent without analyzing ANY of the relevant EVIDENCE. it would be a shit show, a complete joke. Did you see what happened to the BYU prof on Tucker Carlson’s show? Tucker just attacked his character and his ideas, without giving the guy a chance to present his REAL SERIOUS EVIDENCE. To the common viewer, Tucker made the guy look like an crazy man, but anyone actually looking, realized that he didn’t discuss the evidence. just said flat out, “no”. It’s killing two birds with one stone. its simple, its fucking disgusting, but its actually quite clever.

• Comment by Wilson on March 13th, 2006 at 2:47 am:

  Howard Zinn endorses David Ray Griffins book “The new pearl harbor” and is also featured in the endorsment section of http://www.911truth.org
  He has already taken a beating on THE FACTOR because of it.

  That is why I brought the subject up. I think it is more important than a reputation.

• Comment by drew on March 13th, 2006 at 11:51 pm:

  V, Wilson, and Neo-Conned:
  i just ran accross this article. take a read.

  http://www.alternet.org/story/12536

• Comment by drew on March 14th, 2006 at 12:00 am:

  alternet.org is a great alternative media website, by the way.

• Comment by drew on March 14th, 2006 at 12:26 am:

  wilson, V, and Neo-conned:

  forget the alternet article i linked you to. it is good, but this one is by far the best i have come accross, regarding what we have been discussing in this blog. please, take the time to read this. that goes for everyone here! if you have the time, this is a very important article regarding conspiracy theories.

  http://www.zmag.org/...icle.cfm?ItemID=1963

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 14th, 2006 at 11:25 am:

  Ok decent article but the author does not refute or disprove the evidence of our theories. He just calls them bizarre ideas but the fact is there is solid scientific proof that it was not jet fuel that caused the buildings to crash in less than two hours.
  The pentagon released 5 photos of the crash and there is no 747 in the pictures. The inexperienced pilots did not have the flying skills to pull of the manuevers. Plus 4 of the supposed hijackers have been found alive and well.

  http://news.bbc.co.u...dle_east/1559151.stm

  http://www.freedomfi...n.Jamie.Mcintyre.swf

  http://www.chemicale...com/elements/fe.html

  http://0911.site.voila.fr/index1.htm

  http://investigate91...e.net/pentagon1.html

  SOME MORE TROUBLING QUESTIONS
  http://www.whatreall...ppened.com/911q.html

  “September 11th conspiracy theorists advance some truly bizarre ideas, including the notions that the World Trade Center was actually destroyed by explosives, that the planes were actually commandeered by American military remote control, and that WTC Tower 2 was hit by a missile. According to one web-site, the Pentagon was not actually hit by an airplane. ” WHERE IS THE PROOF IN THIS 911 HIT PIECE

• Comment by Neo_conned Again on March 14th, 2006 at 11:31 am:

  GIMMIE SOME PROOF THESE FACTRS ARE NOT TRUE

  http://www.prisonpla...et.com/911/norad.htm

  http://www.prisonpla...0605tenquestions.htm

• Comment by v on March 14th, 2006 at 11:34 am:

  the second article you posted was very good. being a student of history for so long i am in complete agreement with his view of how things work (i.e. the historical development of this system in america). i agree, too, with the idea that there is NOT some secret society of masters of the world enforcing their agenda over the common people throughout history. what may look like that to some conspiracy theorists (ones who believe in the illuminati, etc…) has actually just been the process of the ruling elite adapting and finding new ways to control the masses while appeasing them to an extent.
  however, the article, in no way proves the official story of nine eleven, or disproves certain alternative theories. while i don’t believe the U.S. government “cooked up” nine eleven, and it may be racist to believe anyone but westerners could pull off such an attack, i do believe the gov’t was involved. the attack was the invention of foreign terrorists (or freedom fighters depending on who you talk to), but the U.S. gov’t a) knew about it, and b)facilitated it to a greater degree to produce a specific result.
  planes could not have taken down those buildings alone. bombs were planted. it is, physically speaking, impossible for the buildings to have fallen straight down into their footprints without a controlled demolition. contrary to what your article suggests, a large number of people would not have had to have been “in the know” for it to have been pulled off. (weird sentence i know). and that article does not dispel any of that.
  still though, good article, i agree with much of it.
  this is getting silly, let’s just agree to disagree, and realize that none of us can actually know the truth, none of these writers and theorists can actually know the truth, unless they were involved, or there’s an admition of guilt, or some actual hard evidence disproving involvement. none of us KNOW for sure, so let’s move on.

• Comment by drew on March 14th, 2006 at 9:32 pm:

  “Ok decent article but the author does not refute or disprove the evidence of our theories.”

  you guys, i am not, and neither are the articles, trying to disprove all these facts you keep throwing down. i think you are missing the point that i and the articles are trying to express. its not about proof or lack of proof. maybe re-read the last znet article i posted. i dunno what else to say dudes.

• Comment by drew on March 14th, 2006 at 9:36 pm:

  V,
  yes i agree that we all must agree to disagree. none of us do know what really goes on with certain things. sometimes i feel like i know nothing.

• Comment by v on March 15th, 2006 at 10:20 am:

  i’m not missing your point, i think we’re just debating different things. i’m discussing a singular event, while you are looking at the broader picture. while i TOTALLY AGREE with you and that article in regards to the broader picture concerning systems, institutions, and conspiracies, i disagree concerning this particular event because of certain undeniable facts that SUGGEST gov’t involvement in some capacity. furthermore, while i believe that most of what those articles discuss is valid, that does not mean that conspiracies are not possible, and/or have not happened in the past.
  this confusion is recognizably caused by the medium through which we are communicating. my extremely short career as a blogger may be finished, i dislike it.

• Comment by ? on March 15th, 2006 at 12:10 pm:

  http://video.google....=2956184071444476530

• Comment by ? on March 15th, 2006 at 12:11 pm:

  is the illuminati fact or faction see above
  pretty interesting

• Comment by drew on March 15th, 2006 at 3:52 pm:

  this video looks retarded.

• Comment by Wilson on March 15th, 2006 at 11:37 pm:

  The article was interesting but reinforces the difficulties of talking the events of 9/11 rationally. There is a difference between someone with a website who makes up “theories” and the competent researchers.
  In the case of 9/11 pretty much all evidence that would “prove” what happened was destroyed or is classified by the governemnt.
  The Bush admin initially denied requests for an independent investigation into 9/11. Then after caving in they underfunded it and appointed their own buddies to do the “independent” investigation. The final report is filled with many obvious innacuracies and lies (not like anyone will read it). The commission also independently altered evidence without giving any reason to do so. I could go on but instead I’ll just make my point.

  I’m not one for making up unprovable theories, that is what the U.S. governemnt did.
  There needs to be a REAL investigation into 9/11 so we can clear up this confusion and hold the perpetrators of this accountable. That is my point. It IS important in my opinion as it is still being exploited.

• Comment by sean on March 18th, 2006 at 12:10 am:

  The show rocks. I keep waiting for chris to say something about propagandhi doing an east coast tour though (crosses fingers)

• Comment by eyegor on March 19th, 2006 at 4:22 am:

  hey guys, don’t forget to broadcast some Slayer/Sodom/(oldest)Metallica/(oldest)Exodus/Megadeth/Vio-Lence/Destruction/GFK/Malefaction/Sepultura/Ratos De Porao/Assuck/Nasum/Swallowing Shit/MDC… (complete filling with other rockin bands) stuff.
  Anyways, I keep waiting for chris to say something about propagandhi doing european tour (crossed fingers). duh

• Comment by ? on March 20th, 2006 at 10:15 pm:

  http://www.infowars....ficial_911_story.htm

• Comment by Jennifer on March 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pm:

  I’d like to add that when I saw Zinn speak in Gainesville, during the question/answer session, a question was brought up and when Zinn went into saying something along the lines of “the world trade centers were destroyed…” (can’t remember the exact question) someone yelled “INSIDE JOB” and then he went like “well…. we won’t get into that.” Yeah, that was paraphrased, but my hypothesis is that since Zinn is a rather large figure representing radical ideas, he wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of the government by publically supporting the conspiracy theory, although, from what he implied, I’m pretty sure he at least sees them as remotely legitimate.

• Comment by Wilson on March 24th, 2006 at 11:53 pm:

  It’s just too bad that there is so much resistance in the alternative media and radio shows (such as this) to recognize this as an important issue. We should help our American friends in exposing the U.S. governments conspiracy theory for what it is.

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