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Link roundup, September 13th 2006
Posted by D-Rock on 09/13/06 (Shite)
The NewStandard is in danger of closing down if they can’t increase their monthly revenues by about $5,000 before September 30th. This organization is far too important to let slip away. You really should consider becoming a subscriber!
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Democracy Now! hosts a debate between the makers of the film Loose Change and the editors of the book Debunking 9/11 Myths. Apparently the editors of Populars Mechanics are big, fat, stinky, lying liars, while the filmmakers are crazy, nutjob conspiracy kookadookas.
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There’s recently been some shit-storming over at Clamor Magazine in response to a feature they published in they’re their most recent issue about American Apparel. Reading through it led me to the best piece I’ve read about the company and its clearly disturbed CEO Jim Jones Dov Charney - a company profile on KnowMore-dot-org.
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Comment by kate on September 14th, 2006 at 6:10 am:
made me laugh in that Democracy Now! interview when that dude likened disputing the offical reports of what went down on 9/11 to holocaust denial.
ha. crazy fuck.
Comment by tim on September 14th, 2006 at 10:12 am:
I was watching loose change and thought for sure the pentagon mustve been hit by santa.Or perhaps his sleigh was highjacked by the easter bunny.Not sure.
Comment by blackmetal666 on September 14th, 2006 at 3:12 pm:
Interesting, I was just reading that article on Dov at Knowmore the other day. It sucks that in order to support products that aren’t made in sweatshops, you are instead supporting some misogynist, anti-union fuck. Sage tears shit up though. That’s good at least.
Comment by Marc on September 14th, 2006 at 5:22 pm:
I actually read about this beforehand. Charney is a dick and a cunt at the same time. Does anyone know much about No Sweat Apparel? Hey, if they’re decent guys/gals maybe G7 can start selling merch again… :)
Comment by tim on September 14th, 2006 at 6:00 pm:
well….to Marc i bought my shoes..haha oh..nevermind (ahem)from no sweat and Ive been quite happy with those nards.I think…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Comment by tim on September 14th, 2006 at 6:02 pm:
Hey Derek!….Did you fellas every listen to molecular repulsion.And if so ..your thoughts.!?hehe
Comment by Marc on September 14th, 2006 at 6:32 pm:
Nice. I was reading up on them. Is it true that each shoebox contains a fact sheet that tells consumers what wages and benefits the union workers who produced the sneakers get paid?
Comment by Neil on September 14th, 2006 at 6:50 pm:
You don’t need to order the shoes just to find that out…
http://www.nosweatap...13-NSS-Benefits.html
http://www.nosweatap...s/PT-Sepatu-Bata.htm
Comment by Kyle on September 14th, 2006 at 8:05 pm:
I have some shoes from No Sweat Apparel, and what you hear is true, Marc. I also have a No Sweat hat. It’s kind of small, but maybe my head is too big.
Comment by passingthrough on September 14th, 2006 at 8:09 pm:
marc, i just got an order from NS, and i can verify that you get a factsheet. it’s also somewhere on their site.
actually:
http://www.nosweatap...13-NSS-Benefits.html
on topic: i’d donate to these causes in a heartbeat, but i don’t have a credit card, and none of these guys accept paypal.
Comment by Yaniv on September 14th, 2006 at 9:34 pm:
“Is it a cooperative? Is it unionized? Are you objectifiying women? Of course we’re objectifying women. You want a smock? Go to the Middle East.”
- Dov Charney, responding to criticisms.
“Women initiate most domestic violence.”
- Dov Charney, on sexual harassment.
“If we open a factory in China, we will sell our T-shirts in China, and we will pay at least the U.S.-dollar minimum wage of 5.15 an hour. It is a new U.S. imperialism.”
- Dov Charney, “de-emphasizing” his sweatshop-free commitment and principle to American Apparel.
So yeah, this douche-bag is accruing fortunes at the expense of non-unionized workers, sexually-harassed employees, and making it “hip” and “rad” for “young metropolitan adults” (read: target-market) to further objectify women as they cling to his nauseating advertisement campaign.
Comment by caítlin on September 15th, 2006 at 5:54 am:
Dov Charney can suck my left one. Didn’t he actually say he was “bored” with sweatshop free labour?
Marc, I definitely recommend No Sweat. They’re sold over here by a vegan company in Wales called Ethical Wares (which is also good). Anyway, I have the shoes which arent really my style (and not made for irish weather) but they’re cheap and strong, and definitely ethical. They do send you the workers’ info yeah, and its pretty impressive. Maybe I should make shoes for them!
I have one shirt made by them and its grand. I’m not exactly sure how much its possible to critique a shirt, but I think its fine.
If you’re looking for shoes though, as good as the concept is I wouldn’t recommend the adbuster shoes, blackspots. Expensive and they KILL. (I’m not a happy bunny when I can’t wear something that cost me €60).
Comment by Yaniv on September 15th, 2006 at 10:09 am:
Another great source for ethically-made products - sweatshop-free, based on England, and promoting animal-rights - is vegetarian shoes.
Check it:
http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/
Comment by jackass on September 15th, 2006 at 11:10 am:
From reading Clamor magazine articles, and the American Apparell rebuttle, I can safely say both organizations are full of shit, or atleast have spewed shit on more than one occasion, perhaps Clamor’s core isn’t shit.
Comment by Matt on September 15th, 2006 at 3:43 pm:
I find my blackspots fairly comfortable, mind you I have never tried No Sweat shoes so I can’t compare.
Comment by gerty on September 15th, 2006 at 4:52 pm:
i’ve shut my sweaty sphyncter and been heavily sedated now so i appologize for my froathy mouthed incoherent mashing of keyboard at g7 radio’s early retirement. my cheeks are a bit rosy after that.
Good clip on democracy now. cbc aired a completely solid in-depth mind, not terribly bold and perhaps over trusting, yet good documentary aired on sept 12 http://www.cbc.ca/do...ethistory/index.html . Perhaps not investagative enough but mildy interesting.
this is fucking stoopid fictionalizing and being unclear about something as grave, mysterious, muddled, heated and world shattering as sept 11 and doing it in documentary style. http://abc.go.com/movies/thepathto911/
Which wasnt even called fiction until dumbocrats forced them to a) admit that it is fictional (based on real life events) and b) correct laughably erroneous claims - perhaps making it even more stealth.
Legally idiotic people might argue well thats what “death of a president” is does - the fervently oppossed(like it were the end of g7 radio or somethn) ’speculative fiction’ of the death of Gee Double-yah which totally doesnt pose the SAME sort of danger as re-writing or “socially-sculpting” public perception in a such a acceptable dignified staple of americana such as ABC/disney does.
fucked up are we so wrapped up in our roles (both the physical kind and the thesbian kind)?
funny i was watching this just before i clicked on your link…
interesting for a novice like me
http://democracynow....sid=04/11/09/1526251
Comment by Marc on September 15th, 2006 at 8:06 pm:
Interesting. I’ll definitely check out No Sweat then. Thanks for the heads-up guys.
Comment by Anthony on September 16th, 2006 at 6:01 pm:
Derek and Chris should get a laugh out of this one.
http://www.youtube.c.../watch?v=Gs45Xb9Ty8s
These kids butchered your song!!!!!!!!
Comment by drew on September 17th, 2006 at 2:17 am:
oh what to believe what to believe…
Comment by Kirbie on September 17th, 2006 at 2:07 pm:
Are No Sweat shirts comfortable like the AA kind? Anyone know?
Comment by gerthy on September 17th, 2006 at 9:53 pm:
More passing streaming commentary served a la carte…Anyone see would be walking punching bag Benjamin Netanyahu preempting shaw cable’s regularly schedueled program(re: footage of a fire in a fireplace)? What a racist fuck if you ask me - no ever does. His arguments were the worst i’ve ever heard and as extreme a pope that shall remain nameless. How are these people not tackled and promtly tazzered? Yes ac/dc stands for antichrist deathchrist and yes 14th century quotations prove to be even more absurd, barbaric and destructive than 2000 year old ones. Subhumans called it ala new dark ages… http://www.npr.org/t...&ft=1&f=1001
maybe “dummidee” was right there definitely is an argument to be made about “religious” reasons for “tension” in the “region”. Quotations are just fucking “lame” “gimics” anyway. what were we talking about again?
Comment by adam on September 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pm:
Re: Anthony
At least they had Propagandhi’s tuning right on.
Comment by tom on September 20th, 2006 at 8:15 am:
when i first heard of american apparel i immediately found it interesting, as they proclaimed sweatshop free labour, and i had never heard of this before. and i was about to but a thong when i noticed an ad portraying a very young woman in a submissive position, obviously naked. while they do sometimes offer token shots of half naked male models, somehow attempting to be progressive by objectifying both genders in a very heterosexist context, i decided that thongs were weird and eventually would turn brown.
trading one oppression for another is just not gonna make any difference in the big picture. i do appreciate the existence of sweatshop free labour, but if its at a cost of young women being forcefully (he’s the boss) exposed to Dov Fartneys imposing sexual advances, then fuck that.
i hear that no sweat are pretty good, i got some shoes. 60$, and theyve lasted me 6 months.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I LOOK DAMN SEXY IN MY SUBMISSION HOLD T-SHIRT.
i think it’s good that g7 actually puts their beliefs into as much as it’s possible, setting examples, and considering profits only as a distant fourth place. the mp3 releases also reflect this, i think thats a good idea as well.
Comment by gerthy on September 20th, 2006 at 10:28 pm:
like Doc said to marty “(gender) roles where we’re going we don’t need (gender) roles…”
I agree tom that guys a fucking creep. and would like to pet him and in his submission hold shirt.
Dov sounds more like a hawk than a Dov. I heard his hairy little coin purse of hasn’t testicles but instead two mushy loafs of pure shit. What the fuck is with people, my eyes accidentally saw a poster saying Kokanee girls recruitment is coming to town a shiver rolled down my back. Causual sex is one thing out and out prostitution and the figurative - fist fulls of glitter thrown directly in my eyes obsessively and the incantations of gender roles. Surely everyone heard the study FEMALES are less smart than males bull-shit-lies he hasnt blood but instead diahrrea. then the study that women do less ….uh good… on i.q. tests when they are inundated with media of sterotypical subserviante bimbos.
Utter bullshit on the whole one woman is smarter and more caring than two men.
i’m totally sputtering out because i’m 5 minutes late. ciao
Comment by gerty on September 21st, 2006 at 12:26 am:
holy puckering balloon knot! I wrote that last entry too quickly i noticed and too intermittenly.
***I agree with tom that dov guys a fucking creep. and as for tom I would like to pet him and in his submission hold shirt.
Dov sounds more like a hawk than a Dov. I heard his hairy little coin purse of hasn’t testicles but instead two mushy loafs of pure shit. What the fuck is with people, my eyes accidentally saw a poster saying Kokanee girls recruitment is coming to town a shiver rolled down my back as I my mouth filled with my own stomach acids. Causual sex is one thing but out and out prostitution and the figurative - fist fulls of glitter thrown directly in my eyes obsessively and the incantations of gender myths.
Surely everyone heard the study FEMALES are less smart than males bull-shit-lies. I heard that scientist hasnt blood but instead diahrrea - I gotta stop talking to six year olds.
http://www.livescien...0908_brainy_men.html
of course there’s over 1 million possible and probably explanations why this mindfucking should be reconsidered heres a couple i didnt bother doing research to come up with…
First out of all the things why would a scientist be interested wheather or not women are as smart as men? not a smart choice if you ask me, no woman I know would be so dumb.
There are at least 7 types of intelligence among them are things like linguistic(females are strong) interpersonal(females again) spatial (-artistic/visual- 80% of U of m fine arts are female) musical, intrapersonal(being aware of your own feelings sounds awfully female). so that leaves two that i would say are typically attributed to males although questionably so - logical/mathmatical and kinestic bodily. i will look into this more but what i can tell is that the tests are more gear towards memory and, similarly to the “western world” at large, there may have been a focus on scientific/logical.
If there is a difference perhaps it is the result of a million years of physical/emotional hedgemony. Women have really only been free in their choice of carreers and quest for intelligence or what not within the past 50 or 60 years. And I would argue that they are still not completely free to choose.
Where does happiness, truthfulness, and beauty(being nice i mean) fit into “intelligence”?
Part of the “evidence” that this “is” true is the fact that men have brains weighing 100g more when you correct for body size. Another study suggests that although dolphins maybe have big brains they aren’t nearly as intelligent as they’ve been previously believed to be. IF and thats a huge fucking IF both of these studies were accidentally believed to be true one might conclude that brain size isnt definitively a meassure of intelligence.
of course these are just a couple that i just sketched out. There naturally could be dozens of other explanations. like the one in the link that pointed out more women were tested then men. My point is that how fucking shitty are we towards women. we very clearly in my view are putting invisible burkas on OUR women and with that said there is also another explanation…
then the study that women do less ….uh good… on i.q. tests when they are inundated with media of sterotypical subserviante bimbos.
Hello in there, any suggestion that women aren’t as smart as men is utter bullshit on the contrary on the whole one woman is smarter and more caring than two men.
Seriously I have difficulty understanding what men are good for besides from donating sperm but we even fuck that up trying to donate when donations are unsolicted.
I’m bringing sure as fuck down the curve on “OUR” side boys!
ps maybe gerty is a misleading name - I am a man… well i have the parts anyway.
Comment by Marc on September 21st, 2006 at 6:32 am:
“Seriously I have difficulty understanding what men are good for besides from donating sperm but we even fuck that up trying to donate when donations are unsolicted.”
By saying that, aren’t you just defending the gender gap?
Comment by kate on September 21st, 2006 at 9:57 am:
“OUR women”???
y’know, many intelligent, ‘liberated’(whatever that means) women CHOOSE to wear burkas…or bikinis for that matter.
why is it always: “WE’RE doing this or that to OUR women”?
fuck off. seriously.
Comment by tom on September 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pm:
i agree with kate. and even within activist circles there is a large proportion of “lefty” males, who are all for wimmins liberation, as long as it does not thwart the power that they’ve been engendered with.
as for clothing, fuck yeah, people can wear whatever they want or nothing at all (hell, i pratically live at a nudist beach), without having to be subjected to drooling “playas” and ritualistic male tradtions of domination. besides, what would the beach be witout bikinis and american flag speedos? ohh yeah, unhhh, where’s my copy of “where quantity is job #1″?
i also used to take the position of “oh poor oppressed women, i will liberate you”, like some modern day don juan defarto or count of monte crusto. i later realized the heirarchical nature of this sentiment, pointed out to me by one of my lady friends, who quite rightly articulated that women are quite capable of liberating themselves, on their own terms.
yet we still live in a world where female choices are made by males, in clear and direct control of women’s bodies.
i think the best any anti-patriarchal, anti-sexist male can do is de-construct the oppressive behavior within himself, first and formost. in terms of community, we must destroy the notion that we (males) can liberate women. this is not possible. we must organize and act against patriarchy within our own gender. we can’t walk up to women and say “hey baby, you’re oppressed, and i’m here to save the day”.
i definately am a superman in the bedroom, but i think people should have access to the tools needed to bring about their own liberations and revolutions, and save themselves. all humans are capable of this.
farting…
Comment by dumdiddee on September 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pm:
“OUR women”???
y’know, many intelligent, ‘liberated’(whatever that means) women CHOOSE to wear burkas…or bikinis for that matter.
why is it always: “WE’RE doing this or that to OUR women”?
fuck off. seriously
I agree with you right up until you tell him “fuck off”. I think it’s pretty obvious his heart is in the right place. You could have made your (valid) point without getting all rudenik.
Comment by caítlin on September 21st, 2006 at 5:08 pm:
Yeah, for what its worth gerty, I liked a lot of what you said. Its a whole pile of head-melting and these things can be so insidious, things kind of just seep in there… I definitely think (as dumdiddee said) your heart is in the right place - and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve accidentally offended people with the best possible intentions. When I look back at the last few years, its really one big cringe. Anyway, don’t lose heart bud!
I feel uncomfortable when people genderise the problems and solutions of sexism. To put it simply, a penis doesn’t mean patriarchy. I actually think genderising it was part of the backlash because it disempowered men from actively challenging their traditional roles; if the issue is as a simple as gender then the battle lines are explicitly drawn, and considering you can’t easily change what you were born with, you can’t change its results either.
Thankfully its bullshit and we can go back to laughing at our funny parts innocently.
…that isnt just me, right?
Comment by gerty on September 21st, 2006 at 5:54 pm:
oh yikes sorry for the cascade of shit. I won’t lie I am a bit hurt and defensive. the capital letters were for sarcastic and bitter effect. I’m SERIOUSLY (seriously) meaning to make the point with the use of “our” of how absurd the suggested alledged ownership is and how an utterly fucked up way to think it is period. Thank you. We of course are in complete agreement. And as for the burka granted there is cultural insenitivity with the use of it as a symbol to oppression of women where as it definitely isnt in I would guess most cases. But I think its recognized across the board that any punishment for not wearing said burka in certain countries is (needless to say) utterly insane.
As far as the commercial use of bikini clad women - yeah you wear whatever you want i’m no prude- but as i think its partly the discussion that there is something incredibly insulting about beauty standards whatever the fuck that is, in planned and intrusive “fantasies” occupying the public sphere in order to move product.
I’m certainly not suggesting that women are some hurt little fawns with a tremblying bottom lip! Not to further the gender gap but I think women are infact stronger than men. I apologize if my perceptions are fucked, I’m not saying they are right or whatever its just what I see as far as i can tell. Annoying probably, sexist? I sure as fuck hope not but i would implore you to point out any steping on toes. I’m just trying to pitch in my two cents.
anyway sorry.
Comment by gerty on September 21st, 2006 at 5:59 pm:
haha ya thanks caítlin.
Yeah I’m definitely not trying to be a hero or some bullshit.
Comment by tom on September 22nd, 2006 at 7:49 am:
sorry, gerty, i didn’t mean to seem like a harsh toke, i like what you said too!
Comment by tom on September 22nd, 2006 at 8:01 am:
i said most of that to ward off D-Rock and his aluminum bats from smashing my knees as i owe g7 95$!
my brainfart of a rant is generally directed to most of my male friends who will never read it, and even if they did they’d react in a guilty-baby kind of way.
i also just like rehashing what i’ve learned about gender roles in the past few years, really i’m no one to judge (trust me!), plus i don’t think you owe an apology.
Comment by Nick on September 22nd, 2006 at 4:46 pm:
hey everybody… just thought everyone should know about the north american integration plan that has been going on in banff that no media outlet outside of the “banff crag & canyon” has reported on… rumsfeld is going to be there monday… stockwell day was there last week… its creepy…
check the links
http://www.banffcrag...com/News/255375.html
http://www.vivelecan...hp/20060919132553106
Comment by Craig on September 27th, 2006 at 11:59 pm:
Oh no. A company is bad?!? I don’t know what to believe in anymore.
I’ll never buy anything again.
-Craig
Comment by terrorfearor on September 28th, 2006 at 7:54 pm:
i have had a couple of pairs of no sweat shoes and some tshirts and other stuff, the tshirts are still going but i’ve gone through three pairs of shoes!? i just keep buy’n em though.
also theres new prop vids on youtube
Comment by terrorfearor on September 28th, 2006 at 8:22 pm:
hey, also on youtube there is a video of quentin tarrintino doing a cameo for chris hannah on back to the motor league at 1:22
http://www.youtube.c...=related&search=
Comment by tom on September 29th, 2006 at 8:17 am:
Oh no. A company is bad?!? I don’t know what to believe in anymore.
I’ll never buy anything again.
-Craig
Oh no. A person is sarcastic?!? I don’t know who to believe in anymore.
I’ll never post anything again.
-Tom
Comment by Craig on October 4th, 2006 at 3:34 pm:
Sorry, I’m just struck by the retardness (is that a word? It is now…) of being angry at a company who pretends some social responsible but doesn’t necessarily deliver. What’s the alternative? Going naked? Wearing stuff made with slave labor that has the good sense not to pretend it has a social conscience?
Anyhow, I intended a certain subtext to my sarcasm. I was trying to point out that capitalists do bad things. We all know this and it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. I wasn’t just being an asshole. In fact, any assholishness was purely incidental.
-Craig
Comment by tom on October 11th, 2006 at 10:42 am:
yeah im just joking around man, it’s hard to contextualize what is written. apparently it’s even harder on radio.
Comment by Chuck on October 29th, 2006 at 8:01 am:
I heard a lot about No Sweat, but what about Blackspot sneakers, made by the people at Adbusters ? They are pretty transparent concerning were the money goes, and the footwear is “cruelty-free”.
Concerning Dov Charney, I don’t see anything else here than a pseudo-hippie douche going for the casual attitude by running his business in his jammies.
Too bad the women he hired didn’t buy it and he had to force his way into their pants.
And as Craig pointed out, this business started as a capitalist endeavour, therefore tainted. The brand American Apparel is probably more about suiting a hipster crowd with monbey than it is about defending human rights.
Fortunately, sweatshop free is a popular element to communicate about nowadays; unfortunately, it apparently has to be mixed with a sexual imagery inspired by both Terry Richardson photographs and the worst galleries made by insecure/egocentric girls on myspace to be something you can make money with.