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Morbid but effective pictographs
Posted by D-Rock on 07/27/06 (Shite)
It may be a little crass - but certainly not as crass as mainstream media reports down-playing the deaths of the “other” and humanizing the deaths of the “friendly”.
Moiz Syed has put together this graphical representation of the death toll in the current Israeli assault on Lebanon. In response, someone else has made a similar page for the death toll in Iraq.
Personally, I’d like to see one of numbers for Palestinians vs. Israelis killed since the second intifiada first intifiada 1967 1948.
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Comment by tom on July 27th, 2006 at 3:17 pm:
well these graphics do illustrate a david v.s. goliath scenario, they also reduce these deaths to numbers on a paper, to be compared and argued over by scholars and diplomats. it generally helps to dehumanize the conflict if used in the wrong context. just look at the little nation-flags next to the counts. those graphics kind of make it look like a black and white tricotomy while at the same time screaming out the brutality of israeli policy.
Comment by Pidgey on July 27th, 2006 at 4:33 pm:
Yes, it’s morbid - and probably not necessary; I don’t think anyone (especially here) is unaware of what the body count is looking like, and I’d rather we dwelled on action rather than counting the dead. I feel utterly helpless, and I’d rather come here and be inspired to help in some shape or form than leave feeling worse than ever.
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I fail to see how anything in this wider conflict is ever going to get better. I want to know what history books will be saying in 100 years from now. I think they’ll be tutting and shaking their heads.
And how many times can we tut and shake our heads?
This stretches so far beyond this conflict, whilst demonstrating what concentrated power does time and time again. It’s a joke.
How sustainable is this farce? Surely it will have to implode in on itself, logically speaking, sooner or later? How far can it be stretched?
Comment by drew on July 27th, 2006 at 5:48 pm:
pidgey: just cuz there’s a pictograph giving us numbers of those who have died, we can still discuss action, ya know? no one’s stopping us. i dont think brent’s gonna drop his bat on us or anything.
as for action, fuck i feel helpless too. im just here in my small town, completely outraged at this madness, trying to stay informed, but at a loss for what i can actually do.
way to go israel. way to fucking go!!!!@(*!
Comment by caítlin on July 27th, 2006 at 6:20 pm:
I think everybody feels really helpless and miserable over this one. People don’t seem to have responded with the same energy as with other issues - maybe because it wasn’t entirely predictable, maybe because its just so fucking crazy? I don’t know. But I know I just feel absolutely hopeless. The ramifications could/will be huge, and on who? Not the murderers and the complicit who yield all the power.
I’m not going to rant too much because I don’t think its fair to puke all my sadness on y’all, but suffice to say you arent the only ones despairing about this one.
Yet again, in a few weeks or months we’ll dust ourselves off and try again, but I wonder too how this one will end, how far reaching the consequences will be.
I went to a public meeting about it yesterday and I think the conclusion was the best case scenario is that it will serve as a kick in the bum for the left/anti-war movement to energise and get moving again, and that perhaps that it will raise awareness about Israel’s actions & our governments’ complicity [optimistic, with our mass media]. I don’t know though - Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran… its a sectarian wet dream.
I’m curious to know how people in less fucked-up places are reacting? I guess its always going to be a contentious issue, but I like to think that not every city is going to yield the sort of results we got here when we asked people to register their exasperation.
Anyway, I’m going to go on a positive(ish) note. Ideas, people. What the fuck can we do?
Comment by soyuz on July 27th, 2006 at 8:40 pm:
mere statistics do dehumanize victims but the pictograph here isn’t necessarily reducing victims to just a statistical figure. i think it is a way for us to visualize the sea of dead that is clearly disproportionate to the dead of the other side. when one claims that hezbollah is the agressor, a pictograph like this illustrates which side is clearly the agressor. while one cannont claim that the life a lebanese or palestine is someway worth more than that of an israeli, but certainly there is a disproporte set of victims. and one has to wonder who is the militarist regime bent on using war as a means to create “peace” surrounded by walls and jews only roads.
Comment by soyuz on July 27th, 2006 at 8:49 pm:
what can we do? the best thing we can do is to donate to ICRC (Int’l Comm. of the Red Cross). http://www.icrc.org They have a way to specifically allocate your donation to their programs in Lebanon. This way the money goes directly to the victims of Israeli bombing attacks and their clusterbombs.
on the other note, I recently read an article on the plight of Sri Lankan maids in Lebanon. Many domestic workers, mostly women, from South Asia and South East Asia frequently go over to Middle East to work as maids and laborers. I read extensively on domestic worker trades. And most of them are horrific stories of abuse, slavery and sex slavery. “Owners” of these Sri Lankans maids have refused to give them their passports so that they can leave Lebanon. Sri Lankan government itself is also not supporting these women from leaving Lebanon.
I find this discouraging and I have frequently realized that human beings even those that are opressed use the very little power they have to opress others. We have to stand above our priveledges and have empathy for everyone. Power corrupts, that’s all folks.
Comment by alex on July 27th, 2006 at 9:42 pm:
Sigh.
Comment by gerty on July 27th, 2006 at 10:53 pm:
I actually applaud the use of these graphics. And if you twist in your seat - well i would hope that you would. As morbid as it is I think its totally necessary to know. If you already know the figures, good. Sorry that you feel unsettled and fall down sick (me too) but we have a right and a duty for truth.
Comment by poo on July 27th, 2006 at 11:11 pm:
Here is a graph of the staff at G7
8===========================D
Comment by drew on July 28th, 2006 at 1:15 am:
soyuz: exactly, even people who are oppressed exert whatever power they have over the people that are below them. thats the way top-down systems work and i guess it seems like power thrives on hierarchy and competition, and probably cant even exist without it.
Comment by Anthony on July 28th, 2006 at 1:17 am:
That fucking disgusts me. Israel is a joke, and are slowly pinching the United States ass by re-creating a clone of a bullshit “by force” capitalism in the middle east(also with the help of the shit country I live in). I read William Blums the “Rogue State”:A Guide to the Worlds Only Super Power” and I strongly suggest that book to anyone right now who is interested in learning more about the American foreign policy and the effects it takes on the world. I believe they have it in the literature section of this website. If they don’t, than I’m wrong….Fuck off.
Comment by Aaron on July 28th, 2006 at 2:10 am:
I’m pretty close to just abandoning all hope that the world will ever wake up at this point. Everywhere I look now I see this shit going on and I try to do what I can and it’s never enough. Remember the Iraq war protests? There were thousands of us in every major city America fucking KNEW what we stood for. The world knew that we wouldn’t stand for this illegal war and it happened anyway.
It’s just so fucking depressing when I try as much as I can, I just don’t see anything happening but the world getting flushed deeper and deeper down the toilet. I still want to believe that the sane ones are the majority being led by a far too powerful and corrupt minority but I don’t even know anymore… maybe we’re just evil to begin with.
Sorry I don’t mean to kill anyone’s buzz but I just feel so fucking low energy these days that I don’t even know what to do anymore. I mean I still volunteer, give blood and if I had any money at all at this point I would be donating it to the least corrupt charity I could but what’s the point anymore? Can we even change this anymore?
I mean fuck we watch all of this shit happen, our freedoms are stolen and the world is ravaged around us, our fellow man is being murdered in our name and we don’t fucking do anything about it. I don’t even know what I’m jibbering about anymore… I need sleep and sanity.
“It’s too late. We can’t win, they’ve gotten too powerful.”
Comment by Pidge on July 28th, 2006 at 11:05 am:
“It’s just so fucking depressing when I try as much as I can, I just don’t see anything happening but the world getting flushed deeper and deeper down the toilet.”
I think it’s at this point people start strapping bombs to their belts…
You can always do something (without having to blow you or anyone else up). And if that fails, then at least you tried.
Give money to those helping on the front line to rescue lives. Help raise that money, even if that means robbing banks. Protest. Talk with family, friends and colleagues. Get debate going and encorage support for activities that don’t undermine basic freedoms - like the anti-war demo in London coming soon…
Either that, or blow your fucking brains out.
Comment by Jon on July 28th, 2006 at 12:05 pm:
Fucked up.
Comment by blackmetal666 on July 28th, 2006 at 3:26 pm:
“Either that, or blow your fucking brains out”. I swear I get closer to that point each day.
Comment by Stefan on July 28th, 2006 at 5:20 pm:
This Illegal war is being fought to increase Cheney, Rumsfeld and all of fucking congress bankroll… They just needed another country to get the ball rolling again because the USA public wont support another illegal war. …
They need to get there fangs into another war just in case they cannot attack Iran in 2007.
Comment by jaems on July 28th, 2006 at 6:12 pm:
“when the permanent riot breaks out, they’ll know who started it”-sole
I’d recommend not blowing your own brains out until after you take as many of the dipshits who own guns out before they take you out. Dipshit.
Comment by Glen Johnson on July 28th, 2006 at 9:04 pm:
I know one way each of you can smash hierarchy and end your own complicity in the ruthless oppression and murder of the “other”, go vegan.
Also I wonder how it can be that I have read all of these posts and I have not seen a single condemnation of the religious lunatics that force this kind of madness on innocents. On BOTH sides, but more so on the Hizbullah and hamas side.
Lastly, none of you are powerless. Find an NGO to work with, go to the middle east and start helping people however you can.
You may think that’s hard, but it ain’t.
Comment by Kyle on July 28th, 2006 at 10:24 pm:
Have any of you watched CNN? Hah..ah…ehh… No, seriously. Commentator — and “comedian” — Glenn Beck seems to think the world is turning on Israel.
Can you fucking believe that? He seems to think the only thing keeping the Middle East from turning into “the United States of Hell” is Israel.
He also said that Palestinians don’t really exist because they’re actually Syrians. But he seems to have forgotten about the boundaries that were created by Western powers, dividing groups of people arbitrarily into nation-states.
And he’s also being extremely reductionist and… I don’t know what, but he’s ignoring any change a group of people might go through once divided like that.
In conclusion, extremism on both sides isn’t useful and you should stay far away from CNN.
Comment by Aaron on July 29th, 2006 at 11:18 am:
“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
-Hermann Goering, Hitler’s second in command.
(I know the nazi analogy is usually pretty lame but that’s a frighteningly honest and sadly accurate quote these days isn’t it?)
Comment by drew on July 29th, 2006 at 3:42 pm:
wow, thats pretty scary. he’s knows what he’s talking about. it reminds me of the hitler quote in the TETA booklet,
“how fortunate for governments that the people they administer dont think.” and both these quotes are very accurate.
it seems like they understood the dynamics of government and power so well and that is what allowed them to gain so much support for something so insane and horrible. its like they knew how to get people to do whatever they wanted. and even today, with alot of things that go on in the world, people still just blindly follow and support such terrible things. fuck, the whole world needs to read “war is a force that gives us meaning.”
Comment by Pidge on July 29th, 2006 at 4:59 pm:
“fuck, the whole world needs to read “war is a force that gives us meaning.”
Now, that is a brilliant, horrible book. I can’t really recommend it enough.
Comment by Danarcho on July 29th, 2006 at 6:32 pm:
I haven’t really been able to keep up with this blog and shit, but has anyone noticed the latest media/politician’s jargon “the New Middle East”?
Basically it means a western dominated middle east. From the BBC: “There’s talk in Washington of “a new Middle East”, a place where the moderate Arab majority refuse to allow the region to be plunged into conflict by troublemakers like Hezbollah and its allies, Syria and Iran.”
Funny, that’s pretty much how shit would be if the west would stop pushing people in that area to be fucking pissed and take up arms or join some radical fundamentalist group bent on western destruction or something.
But I don’t know. Like it seems with most of you, I feel useless.
Comment by Neil on July 29th, 2006 at 6:35 pm:
In all honesty, coffins on a computer screen don’t do it for me. It’s just like reading the number.
The link on Propagandhi’s site does it just fine though…
http://209.67.212.138/~lebanon/
Comment by david on July 30th, 2006 at 2:11 pm:
from israel to lebanon did it for me. i’m completely enraged.
Imagine havin no runnin water to drink
Chemicals contaminate the pipes leadin to your sink
Just think, if the grocery stores close they doors
And they saturate the streets with tanks and start martial law
Would you be ready for civil war
Could you take the life of somebody you know,
or have feelings for if necessary?
I got cousins in the military
But far as I’m concerned they died, when they registered
-dead prez, saying what i feel.
Comment by Pidge on July 31st, 2006 at 7:17 am:
Perhaps the worst thing I’ve ever read:
“I fully support Israel’s actions in Gaza and Lebanon. As or [sic] the civilian casualties, you cant make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.”
Gavri, Tel Rumeida, Israel
(Recommended by 515 people on the BBC website)
Pity that a ‘few eggs’ happens to be close approaching a thousand human beings now.
Anyways; London, this Saturday (5th) 12pm, the usual routes.
Comment by tom on July 31st, 2006 at 12:50 pm:
i was driving down the main yesterday and in front of me was someone driving a porshe. an oncomming car had a lebanese flag stuck on it, and the porshe driver made a symbol of solidarity.
and then i realized the total ridiculousness of my situation: here i am completely against the wars in the mid east, yet i’m driving my oil-machine around town, i couldnt help but feel like i was in effect supporting the war.
so in terms of action i think we can do alot with what we buy. my plan is to boycott oil products as much and as long as i can. there are also israeli wines that are being boycotted here at the liqour store. we can go to the demos and write to our mp’s. this crisis requires the loudest refusal possible on all fronts.
israel has stopped bombing for the moment, maybe now the international community will have a chance to put olmert and all these war criminals in their place (hopefully a jail or dungeon). harper too.
Comment by Pidge on August 1st, 2006 at 9:48 am:
“there are also israeli wines that are being boycotted here at the liqour store”
Isn’t that collective punishment?
Comment by jaems on August 1st, 2006 at 10:52 am:
Yeah really, because freedom fries worked so unerringly.
Comment by drew on August 1st, 2006 at 11:45 am:
haha…freedom fries. actually seeing that on some menus is what blew my mind..
the link to the cnn article from prop’s site seems to be a pretty good overview of the current situation and most recent civilian bombing, i guess every now and then cnn can surprise you with a good article.
Comment by tom on August 1st, 2006 at 3:42 pm:
“Isn’t that collective punishment? ”
i think most vinyards and orchards are based on “expropriated” palestinian and lebanese land. its a symbolic gesture at best- not sure if i agree with it as a tactic, but at the rate of violence and powerlessness most of us feel that anything would help.
short of bombing civilians to the stone age. who would do that?
Comment by jaems on August 1st, 2006 at 4:12 pm:
Well apparently I do, indirectly, every time I pay taxes.
Comment by Pidgey on August 1st, 2006 at 4:43 pm:
I was sort of joking, but I don’t think we can forget that there are plenty of Jews, in and outside of Israel, that strongly oppose this war.
Comment by jaems on August 1st, 2006 at 8:39 pm:
No, but in all seriousness, economic boycotting of ridiculous products, like wine, is a great idea. Unless the makers of the wine are good people. Then: bad idea. Unless the wine is used to kill your liver and dull the pain of waking up and going to a shitty job every morning. Then drinking imported jewish wine=bad idea.
Comment by Pidge on August 2nd, 2006 at 7:42 am:
Oh, and beyond the human cost of pointless wars: “What we have here is equivalent to a tanker sinking.”
http://news.bbc.co.u...e/nature/5233358.stm
Comment by tom on August 2nd, 2006 at 1:05 pm:
“I was sort of joking, but I don’t think we can forget that there are plenty of Jews, in and outside of Israel, that strongly oppose this war.”
- another reason why these pictographs dont really tell the complete human story.
Comment by Craig on August 2nd, 2006 at 3:19 pm:
Without being everywhere and experiencing everything firsthand, we have to rely on generalizations and simplifications in order to acquire information, so the criticisms of this graph that say it somehow dehumanizes the dead is completely without merit.
After all, if pictures on a page dehumanize the subjects, then a few words on a page do the same. And if words on page do not do them justice, then certainly the spoken word becomes meaningless, too. Where do you draw the line? (And yes, I hate that “draw-the-line” cliche too, but cliches are useful for an intellectually lazy schmuck like myself)
Besides, far from dehumanizing the dead, I think that the simple chart actually brings their suffering into focus. The graphic claims no particular agenda (although the author may have one). It simply shows a single fact and leaves the viewer to draw his/her own conclusion.
-Craig
Comment by Mel Gibson on August 2nd, 2006 at 10:18 pm:
It’s Israel’s fault!
Comment by Anthony on August 3rd, 2006 at 1:32 am:
Has anyone seen the previews for this new movie entitled “World Trade Center”???They(government) are really milking that disaster for all it’s worth. They’ve even got Nicholas Cage helping out as a part of the propaganda machine, once again trying to unify and lead the goyum to be turned away from the war in lebanon,and “support their country”.I recommend that everyone check out the documentary “Loose Change”.It’s a documentary about how the Republican party rigged the World Trade Center with explosives and other substancial proof that The American government had a big hand in the WTC disaster. You can download it somewhere on google I think. I hate America, I live here and I hate all the fucking cowboys,coffee touting hipsters with a sidekick and dyed black hair,soccer moms,white power douche bags, Paris Hilton clones, Minute men, and most of all the posers that talk shit about our shit system but consume the power right into the shit systems hands. I would love for ALL Canadian citizens to make A Speculative Fiction a tangible reality as soon as possible, thanks.
Comment by Pidge on August 3rd, 2006 at 3:04 am:
I think Oliver Stone actually directed that. Anyway, I saw an advert for it, and thought it was supposed to be a comedy. Did you see Cage’s face hair?!
Comment by tom on August 3rd, 2006 at 9:21 am:
craig:
I agree craig, the graph does not completely dehumanize this conflict. but it does take away the faces, places, genders, and ages of all these people who have died. where all these people civilians? or soldiers? see what i mean?
youre right, words and pictures are similar in nature, and can do justice to the suffering. but because words and pictures describe stories in vivid detail, many facets to this conflict are lost in this pictograph. this pictograph illustrates but one fact: israels behemoth military might is out of control.
words and pictures connect way more with me than this graph of numbers does.
Comment by tom on August 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 am:
the graph also fails to recognize all the damage being done to lebanese infrastructure; hospitals, roads, water tables etc…to me, these are indirect human costs which are not accounted for in this graph, nor the mainstream media.
has hizbollah hit any israeli roads/bridges or hospitals yet? i imagine if they did, it would be all over the press how these terrorists have no limits.
Comment by dumdidee on August 3rd, 2006 at 11:03 am:
Tom:
I think the graph effectively illustrates how unbalanced this conflict is. Given space and size constraints, what else could they have done?
Let’s not make mountains out of molehills.
Comment by Aaron on August 3rd, 2006 at 12:34 pm:
Don’t get me wrong World Trade Centre will be a shit movie plain and simple and I’m not wasting my time watching it.
That said anyone who actually buys the whole Loose Change theory needs to pull their head out of their ass and take a look at reality. America’s government is evil, yes, but the bullshit presented in that film is completely out there. If you can actually believe it I would seriously consider getting on anti-psychotic medication. That isn’t even a joke.
Comment by drew on August 3rd, 2006 at 12:45 pm:
aaron: i agree.
anthony: here is a good little video clip of chomsky talking about 9-11 conspiracy theories.
http://youtube.com/w...chomsky%20conspiracy
Comment by D-Rock on August 3rd, 2006 at 1:04 pm:
Aaron: that seems a bit strong, no? I watched Loose Change 2, and I thought there was some very odd, unexplained, and disturbing information in there. Why is there any more reason to believe the official line that the U.S. government and NORAD gives us than believe the theories in the movie? At least the movie is merely postulating on ideas and observation, and has no real vested interest.
Comment by alex on August 3rd, 2006 at 10:21 pm:
It’s easy to find things odd when you don’t know the whole story. That’s why people came up with myths, legends, religions. Conspiracy theories are no different so far as I’m concerned. The amount of people involved in a situation like the 9/11 attacks in ways that we, as outside observers, are not, is extremely high. You can’t simply cover up something that big, that important.
As for Loose Change, I highly recommend reading through this site ( http://www.ccdominoe...ooseChangeGuide.html ) in its entirety and see if you feel the same way about the conspiracy theories afterwards. For instance, I had similar misgivings about the lunar landing for a while… there were things in my mind that didn’t add up. I was skeptical. I’d heard one side of the story and it made sense. Then on a whim I read up on it on Wikipedia and as it turns out there are verifiable explanations for all the stuff that seemed illogical to me. This is a similar, if more important, situation, I suppose, in that it concerns hundreds of thousands of deaths. If you think about it, though, the real evil, the real shit, is the wars they started in the middle east, the stuff they did out in the open. It’s a lot easier to get away with that; it’s a much “bigger” lie. You could never convince the American population the 9/11 attacks were for their own good. Killing people in other countries though, is no problem. The US has gone to war with less of a pretext in the past. There’s not a single goddamn reason for them to pull off the 9/11 attacks themselves. It doesn’t benefit them concretely enough to justify it, and it poses an enormous risk to their administration and to the trust placed in the concept of “government” by their people.
In the end, I don’t feel it comes down to an “official line” or matters of who has vested interests. It’s a matter of fact and fiction. That people would rather pay attention to a fiction because it feels rebellious, than to pay attention to the more horrifying fact of the ensuing killing is disheartening, so far as I’m concerned.
Comment by gerty on August 4th, 2006 at 1:08 am:
A treatise on nothing.
I haven’t actually seen the movie. There are some questions I’ve had and that I’ve heard the movie raises. I don’t buy into the statement that the US planned it all and I do think that regardless of “vested-interests” there are an infinite amount of plausible, possible and probable reasons why the movie might not be 100% factual. I do intend to see the movie at some point but I can’t pretend to restrain my critical reasoning in the process. Back to the Lebanese crisis.
I do have a great deal of difficulty, without resorting to speculation(not always helpful) how the Hizbollah terror is so unquestioningly reprehensible. But that of Israels is necessary. As Peter Mckay points out Hezbollah is a ruthless terrorist organization - Israel is a democracy(on settled land). This is where I really have a problem. I Israel would ask for a fuck-of-alot-more from a Democracy than from a terroist organization. There is a huge blinding fucking problem when your democracy kills 13.4 times(!) as many people as a terrorist organization. I read in the sun(i’m ashamed i assure you but it was free) a few days ago that 468 lebanese civilians were dead. and that 46 Hezbollah terrorists(voluntary soldiers- not drafted) were killed. So Israels army killed 10.174 Times as many civilians as they did terrorists. This seems alarming and I can’t see how this couldnt pad the Hezbollah roster. I really want to hear what the honest answer is, I’ll do what i can to believe it.
Comment by tom on August 4th, 2006 at 1:13 pm:
it’s funny, here, in quebec, im hearing more about how hundreds of thousands of people here are without power due to an intense thunderstorm (it was pretty fucking crazy), than i am hearing about hundreds of thousands displaced without homes, water, food, shelter over “there”.
become the media.
dumdidee:
israel=mountain
hezbollah=molehill
agreed?
do da day
Comment by dumdiddee on August 4th, 2006 at 8:37 pm:
Tom,
I totally agree w/ your isreal/lebanon and mountain/molehill analogy, but that’s not the point i was trying to make. I just think the chart is a simple tool to illustrate that to say the israelis are merely defending themselves is complete bullshit. Maybe it would be more effective if it was able to accrately depict the ruins and carnage but you can only do so much on a chart scaled down for viewing through your average computer monitor. Yeah?
Regarding the conflict proper, it has reached such heights of insanity that my name is mud.
Comment by jaems on August 6th, 2006 at 7:46 am:
It was effective enough to start some web based dialogue and to help me start thinking more critically about helping other people and shutting up the ones who hate.
Thanks for the posts.
Comment by Pidgey on August 7th, 2006 at 5:51 pm:
In all seriousness, and I want a proper answer - what is the point of the UN?
Comment by drew on August 8th, 2006 at 12:54 am:
In all seriousness, and I want a proper answer - what is the point of the UN?
to just go along with whatever the u.s. decides?
thats how it seems to me. but what do i know?
although, dont they at least to some extent help with aid?
Comment by tom on August 8th, 2006 at 9:07 am:
there was some wacko on CNN who asked the same quesiton, but contextualized it in a way that the UN is an offensive military group. and of course, they werent doing enough to help the American troops.
CNN is the craziest fucking newscast, its so ridiculous. my dog could fucking figure out whats going on before CNN could ever explain anything. FUCK CNN!
Comment by Pidge on August 8th, 2006 at 9:47 am:
This is fucking crime: http://news.bbc.co.u...sci/tech/5255966.stm
Comment by poo on August 9th, 2006 at 7:23 am:
cnn is gr8 i watch it everynight
Comment by tom on August 9th, 2006 at 9:49 am:
oh, well, that explains everything! thanks for clearing that up, poo!
Comment by caítlin on August 9th, 2006 at 1:54 pm:
Handy Q&A from Znet.
http://www.zmag.org/...107&ItemID=10721
Comment by gerty on August 9th, 2006 at 10:43 pm:
You know this shit is banannas B-A-N-A-N-A-S when “artist-formerly-known-as/iconoclast” Raffi(!!!)(who by the way is still currently known as Raffi, who woulda thunk’d it) releases a ripping song called “salaam shalom” for peace in the middle east.
don’t believe me? http://www.raffinews.com/
Comment by gerty on August 10th, 2006 at 2:52 am:
mel gibson get skewered.
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2761514