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• Comment by g-to the erty on June 13th, 2007 at 6:51 pm:

  tastey.

  Hey is that Paul Butler’s “power to the artist” light box?

  Can one submit works for a show in the R2C2 gallery?

  I do look forward to seeing the show and hurling a dozen eggs and lighting a flaming bag of my own feces on the G7 doorstep on my way up.

  seriously other people post and water down my acrid posts.

• Comment by Hairhole on June 13th, 2007 at 9:07 pm:

  Whoa. Hello Again!
  I can’t wait for that Pilger film. Anybody vouch for his earlier documentaries at all? Hidden Agendas was amazing.

  Fuck, you seen all those new books up on the Prop. resources list? Where’s a sweating, cross-eyed, hooked on phonics dick supposed to start?! Hows aboot that new Chris Hedges book, is that any good?

  Anyway, after that (brilliant) Propagandhi dvd exposed me for the phoney I am (who the fuck says ‘Hairhole’ in the middle of a cro mags song?!?), I suppose I should say the name will soon be changed. We’ll call it even after selling all those c.d’s like a fucking moron for so cheap, while I happened to be on a jerk marathon. Asshole.

  p.s Husband: you can still find me on plentyof(stinky)fish under the same alias. wink*
  p.p.s D(ouche)-Rock: Good luck in Halifarts. I imagine the Keith’s will go good with your crabs.

• Comment by Yaniv on June 13th, 2007 at 11:19 pm:

  Interestingly enough, I was led initially to that article on Punk Voter via Fat Wreck. Among the highlights, I could not fail to include:

  “While his [Fat Mike] bands’ record sales are modest compared with those of mainstream chart-toppers, he has made enough as an independent label chief to afford a home for his wife and young daughter in an upscale San Francisco neighborhood (that he requests remain unnamed”

  And…

  “‘I think this country is going in the right direction now,’ Burkett said, referring to Democrats winning both houses of Congress last fall. Well, he said, it is going in a better direction than before the November election. ‘I mean, to some extent (it is). Democrats are not the dream party.’”

  How fucking blind is this guy? For christ’s sake, someone should erase his memory so that he never, ever contemplates repeating the same debacle.

  On a similar note, when I asked him after one of his spoken-word performances if he had any remorse about having cheerfully collaborated with the monstrosity formerly-known-as Punkvoter, Jello Biafra emphatically said “no.” After all, in the words of the man, he “was encouraging insurrection in the ballot.” I was left truly dumbfounded after that.

  In any event, Biafra personally corroborated the hearsay I’ve hearing for years - from folks who live in San Francisco or personally know him - about Fat Mike’s unabashedly lavish and - dare I say - upper class PuNk lifestyle.

  Hannah: I commend you, dawg. No one put it better than you did: This continues being Rock for Sustainable Capitalism.

  Derek: How vegan-friendly is Halifax? I’ve read great stuff about renowned Winnipeg’s vegan eateries, but nothing from Halifax. It surely can’t be worse than down here in the tip of the Florida peninsula.

• Comment by steph minus on June 14th, 2007 at 2:58 am:

  in reference to the fat mike thing, i knew exactly what he was going to say before i read it. the newest MDC album has a great song about nofx’s/punkvoter’s nonsense called ‘timmy yo’. after going after nofx, it actually critiques the lifestyles of the guys in rancid (by name), but it equally applies to fat mike.

  what is weird about jello’s support of punkvoter is that he didn’t support kerry at all. i assume he voted for cobb since he was the green party nominee, but possibly for nader. he’s more of a pro-local voter anyway, and i do agree with him on that since you can occasionally make things marginally better that way. we had 10% turnout here in san antonio in may, and luckily we passed the thing to fix the damn roads which are horrible.

  hairhole: pilger’s stuff is great. look around on google videos, they have some of them. possibly all of them (i don’t know the names of most of them). last weekend i watched ‘year zero’ about cambodia since i had just read his work on it in ‘tell me no lies’. it was ‘good’ in the sense that it was a documentary; the content is horrifying. i saw something recently on his website about how there’s a package deal out with tons of the films on dvd.

  on the propagandhi list, ’shake hands with the devil’ is a good one.

• Comment by Pidge on June 14th, 2007 at 8:21 am:

  I struggled to read the full article about PunkVoter. It was really, really, painfully cringe-worthy.

  “I’m just the stupid drummer, and I just show up and hit things when I’m supposed to hit things, but (PunkVoter) gave me a sense of awareness that I wouldn’t have had if it hadn’t been for him. And it gave me a sense of purpose. I’m telling you this, it worked for me, because I never voted prior to that,” Sandin said. “And I have voted in every f — thing ever since that.”

  Cripes!

• Comment by caítlin on June 14th, 2007 at 8:40 am:

  Thanks for the plug, D-rizzle. Why you’d leave your amazing-veggie-burger-adjacent office is beyond me.
  The battle isnt over yet but its going pretty well - we got them home last Thursday [video here: http://news.bbc.co.u..._ireland/6732759.stm ] and on Tuesday we were invited to parliament to meet our version of the deputy prime minister, who did the whole baby-kissing thing and pledged his support. http://www2.u.tv/new...sp?id=82875&pt=n
  4 of 5 main political parties back her, as does a national newspaper and she’s got huge public sympathy but she still faces deportation on the 22nd. Its quite interesting [in that its boring] - we have the support of the 2nd in command but because Immigration is an “excepted matter” [the brits still decide the important shit for us] she’s still at risk. My personal conviction is that she’ll get her appeal, though.
  Its been really significant for Belfast actually because public opinion and the media are so insanely anti-asylum and this is one of the first such battles [asylum seekers coming here is a relatively new phenomenon]. But now another woman is facing the same thing and I don’t know if people are going to be so enthused.
  Americans should keep their eyes peeled for a ten minute version of a documentary being made about her, which is possibly going to be shown on the news over there.

  On a related note, next week is Refugee Week, an international occassion to promote refugee rights and interests and aid integration. If lil ol Belfast is going all out for it, your community probably has something rad happening and even if it doesn’t, its important to show some support. Its all too easy to forget what people face in their “host countries” when its never given airspace in the media.

  I’ll have to check out that documentary, his stuff is interesting [although for some reason his voice really annoys me]. I think he was one of the first political journalists I ever paid attention to.

  Jello is one of those guys you kind of wish had just stopped when things were good. I saw his spoken word years ago, a lot of his conclusions are dodgy. Whatdya expect from someone who wears a leather jacket?

  Now that Chris and Derek have been cruelly wrenched apart, quite clearly the only way to keep the passion alive is… the return of g7 radio! You could literally phone it in.

• Comment by Kyle on June 14th, 2007 at 10:02 am:

  “People were surprised to see me there,” said Burkett, flashing a knowing grin. But few approached until Harold Ickes, the former Clinton White House aide, “came over to me and said, ‘This is what we need — people like you to get into this.’ ”

  Now I see that the quotation above Rock for Sustainable Capitalism is ’spot on’, as they say…

  I only made it about a quarter of the way through the article, and now I’m having difficulties reconciling my feelings for Nofx. After looking at the lyrics for “Timmy Yo,” I think I’m going to have to start hunting down MDC albums.

  Welcome to Nova Scotia, D-Rock. I thought I felt a little spring in my step as I was quitting my job earlier this week.

  Are you going to post about the rallies/etc. going on here? I don’t know anything, and if I don’t get it from G7, I know even less. Help a sibling out!

  (There’s some kind of protest going on in New Glasgow today about the closure of Trenton Works, the former local steel/car-works employer — months ago I heard that this plant might be turned into a weapons manufacturing facility, but that’s not what this is about exactly.)

• Comment by Yaniv on June 14th, 2007 at 11:17 am:

  Caitlin: Kudos for the great work you’re doing. Hopefully victory is around the corner and Lordorice and her daughter are not extradited.

  One of Jello’s most questionable conclusions is his own perception of radical activists. I understand - and witnessed myself - his critique of those who have a “I’m more radical-than-thou” mentality in activist circles. And I agree it’s lamentable and should be discouraged. However, I disagre with his notion than anyone who subscribes to a more radical political stance than him is a “fundamentalist” - a term he derided to anyone who disagreed with the Punkvoter facade.

• Comment by gerty-op-olous on June 14th, 2007 at 3:39 pm:

  hairhole: I dunno if you meant chris hitchens(as opposed to hedges) but there is an interview with him from the hour…

  http://www.cbc.ca/th...ur/video.php?id=1610

• Comment by gerty-op-olous on June 14th, 2007 at 3:41 pm:

  oops I just googled him and found him on the hour too

  http://www.cbc.ca/th...ur/video.php?id=1357

  strombo gets it done.

• Comment by Anthony on June 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pm:

  Fuck. Fat Mike is poser.

  He thinks things are getting better because the democrotchs are gaining some power????

  He’s basically changing the mask on the murder. All those douchbag parties are taking orders from the same people.

  I’ve been reading some David Icke lately….
  and his writings are pretty errie.

• Comment by falcore on June 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pm:

  caitlin

  how did you get things rolling for Lordorice?

  was there a network of support before you started posting on G7 or did you just jump in?

  I ask because I want inform people about labor issues at my job( i work at Albertsons in San Diego California which has collective bargaining through the UFCW) but any time a subject beyond TV shows and clothes comes up like wages or benefits stagnating I chime in with “its neo-liberal policies in which corporations and the government are complementing each other with policies and legislation to cause our wages and benefits to be so bad” then i get the one eyed cow stare and hear some crickets chirping and usually they just walk away

  its frustrating because these people are not stupid , a few weeks ago i left a IWW news paper in the break room and one of the guys on my shift was calling me a communist. WTF

  is it a matter of just sticking with it?

• Comment by adam on June 15th, 2007 at 12:26 am:

  Hey Derek, I don’t mean to pry but I am curious as to why you left the Peg.

• Comment by caítlin on June 15th, 2007 at 6:52 am:

  Yaniv: thanks! :) Couldn’t have done it without the amazing support we got [including a significant number of y’all on this here interweb]

  Falcore - good question. How the hell did I end up doing this? haha. Obviously our respective battles are pretty different but there are a few similarities.

  To answer your question, I pretty much(niavely) jumped in feet first when I heard Lordorice was in detention. I’d been off sick for quite a while [recovering from the Canadian cold hehe] and it was pretty flukey that I emailed the woman I volunteer under [insert joke here] just before one of Lordorice’s removal dates. I was gonna start slow, three hours of translating a hairdressing class… such is life!
  Anyway, there wasnt a “campaign” to speak of, some faxes were sent and people were sending her dresses and stuff for her daughter, but there isnt really much of an established network for this sort of situation where I am and a lot of the people who would be inclined to get involved simply can’t because they’re paid workers who have a job description to meet, etc. Thats one of the great things about being a volunteer, you can do pretty much anything without being answerable to an irate boss [short of, yknow, getting naked in the kitchen or something]. Anyway, as for a network of support, there were a lot of people we could call on who’s support we could expect, like other refugee organisations and human rights groups, who came to our protests and stuff but who wouldn’t be every day activists. That tends to fall on a few people, but lets be clear, for one person to do it is practically impossible, exhausting and not sustainable. The last few months have been a very steep learning curve for me and it was pure luck that i was able to live, sleep, eat and breathe this campaign but this is not the sort of thing one person can do.
  We had a hard time getting other refugees involved, because a lot of them are so disempowered [having to ask some faceless bureaucrat, cap in hand, for permission to, yknow, live, will do that to ya] and to be a political activist in our society is risky enough when you’re white, nevermind for ethnic minorities, as well as the fact that being an outspoken refugee rights activist doesn’t look good on your asylum application. I mention this because I think you’ll find yourself in the same position - where people feel a personal risk to themselves, or their job security (and who can blame them, all things media and McCarthy considered) they will be far less inclined to speak up. Especially if there isnt an established, coherent plan waiting for them. If they think that in agreeing with you, they’re siding with the office commie, they’ll keep their mouths shut. Mobilising people is never easy, especially not when they’re likely to be held directly accountable as they are if we’re talking unionisation - did anyone hear those insane walmart statistics about an “anti-union pack”?
  Perhaps you’d be better off trying to find one or two people who support your ideas who can delicately help spread em, or get in touch with an existing labour initiative for information or resources to show people, etc.
  Another thing important for either campaign is the use of rhetoric. I don’t want to sound like some pseudo-marxist nut, but you really do have to be transitional. If our protest was organised as a call for the regularisation of all foreign nationals, the immediate dismantling of borders, and the extradition of the immigration minister to Cameroon, etc etc, we would have been laughed at and even those who are typically sympathetic would run a mile, nevermind any hope for media or political support.
  I’m sure when you approach labour issues with your workmates you’re not being ultraleftist but even your vocabulary can make your ideas seem irrelevant or far-fetched. Years back, an old head teacher of mine wanted to privatise my school’s canteen, and we organised a campaign against it. People could see right in front of them in black and white the impact that a fairly discrete, nationally implemented policy would have on *their* lives, and it was really significant because its things like that that politicise people, situations that directly impact them that bring politics in to their living rooms. A much better idea than guilt tripping the minimum-waged servers about hocking dead cows and coca cola. *cringe*
  One more thing which i think is relevant; be aware of what you’re getting yourself in for. I nearly got myself expelled from school for that little anti-privatisation stunt, which at the time would have seemed like the end of the world to a swat like me. This campaign has scared the shit out of me because public opinion is so anti-asylum seeker and to publicly challenge that is to invite a lot of bad feeling and a lot of personal criticism. I’m not trying to put you off, but I would encourage you to be careful in your methods, because if you attract the attention of your bosses without gaining the support of your workmates, you’re risking yourself next time they want to make cuts, without much to show for it. I don’t know much about your particular union, but I’d be aware if I were you that most of them have, in the words of the coup, lost they bite. However radical the rank-and-file are, if its anything like over here, you’re going to be struggling against the head of the union as well as the head of the company.
  Perhaps I’m sounding overly pessimistic here [hungover and exhausted] - I just don’t want you to end up like me, baffled and knackered!

  Good luck, innit.

• Comment by D-Rock on June 15th, 2007 at 7:39 am:

  Gerty: I do believe the Rocker accepts submissions for shows - just send ‘em an email (link on the website). And yes, the splash page is taken from Butler’s lightbox (which actually hangs in the lobby of the gallery).

  Yaniv: Halifax is alright vegan friendly - though there’s no Mondragón equivalent. Happy Cow has the scoop on it. There’s also lots of vegan and organic food to be had in most grocery stores. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be any home-grown co-op grocery store (akin to Winnipeg’s Organic Planet).

  Kyle: Interestingly enough, I found that the local weekly The Coast has an “activism” section in their listings. For example, all of the activities happening against the Atlantica Accord this week are listed. Maybe not comprehensive, but it could be helpful.

  Adam: I left Winnipeg because of love. Unrequited love. For Chris. I don’t like to talk about it.

• Comment by caítlin on June 15th, 2007 at 9:37 am:

  I guess beggars really can be choosers.

  *ducks* I’m never getting that DVD now…

  Just found this fairly snazzy lookin’ thing: http://www.unitarpoci.org/
  Yes, I am a geek who spends her days off looking for courses to study. Nevertheless, whatever you may think of the UN, some of these could be really interesting (and are a lot cheaper than average, especially if you work for an NGO). My only agenda is your education, people! Nothing to do with my desperate need for studybuddys. Nope. Nothing.

• Comment by guirtzz on June 15th, 2007 at 12:54 pm:

  haha a bounty of awesomeness all around.

• Comment by guirtzz on June 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pm:

  Ps ‘member before when someone posted about the google potentially having impious motives with regards to information collection. my trendy face book account needs to account for much apparently http://albumoftheday.com/facebook/

• Comment by Tony UK on June 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pm:

  I think more than anything Mike just seems really blasé about the whole thing, I’d have alot more respect for him if he just admitted that rather than clutching at straws saying shit like ” its going in a better direction “. Why be purposefully vague? He seems capable of being way more intelligent than that interview. Derek, doesn’t all the constant criticism make things pretty sour with him and the Prop boys personally, in terms of releasing records on Fat Wreck? I can’t see how it wouldn’t.
  No way, i saw a poster for “War on Democracy” today when I was moochin, didn’t realise what it was. Its on at the arthouse cinema in town, buzzin!

• Comment by falcore on June 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pm:

  Caitlin ,

  wow thanx i can see why the Brits holding off deportation you are one deticated lady.

  don’t worry i don’t see it as pessimistic just the unabridged truth.

  i was fired from my last job for disagreeing with the “bosses” so i know how that goes.

  i can see the fear/nervousness in people i work with and in myself when the bosses are around and I think that is what makes me wanna change things because nobody should have to live like that. Anyways thanks again for listing (reading) and helping me out.

  keep up the good deeds

• Comment by falcore on June 16th, 2007 at 1:37 am:

  ok
  what does everybody think kooky and leftist or understandable by all

  American
  Labor
  Being
  Exploited
  thRough
  Totalitarian
  Structure
  Only
  serviNg
  Self-interest

• Comment by caítlin on June 16th, 2007 at 11:03 am:

  can’t… breathe…. drowning… in…kudos… ;)

  Falcore: in the right context, you could probably get away with it, but if its in response to “wanna coffee?” I’d probably tone it down. I really think its better attached to something tangible, like wages.

  This a timely, if brief article: http://www.zmag.org/.../2007-06/16boyle.cfm
  I have to say, I’d never thought of it that way.

• Comment by caítlin on June 16th, 2007 at 1:07 pm:

  Spoke too soon - this is a much better article.
  http://news.independ...k/article2663199.ece

  His writing on Palestine and Lebanon has been consistently excellent and this is one of the bestest yet.

  Wonder what Iraq will be like in 2047.

• Comment by Jon UK on June 17th, 2007 at 3:55 pm:

  Fat Mike. Fuck.

  It’s cringeworthy, man. Real cringeworthy. To be honest I’m not suprised. Really sucks to find out that the guy has no idea what he’s on about, though.

• Comment by mikea on June 18th, 2007 at 4:59 am:

  Great article indeed, Freckles.

  If anybody who’s just as lazy as I am wants to know more from Robert, s/he should check this:

  http://www.akpress.o...lismandthemiddleeast

  Illuminating. Just as powerful as Hedges’s “War is a force that gives un meaning”.

• Comment by mikea on June 18th, 2007 at 5:02 am:

  Excuse my unconscious, I meant “War is a force that gives uS meaning”.

• Comment by Nathan on June 18th, 2007 at 10:34 am:

  Not exactly useful mocking punkvoter, although it sure is fun.

  More updates, more blog, more g7 radio, more more more.

• Comment by Nathan on June 18th, 2007 at 11:18 am:

  Why don’t you guys just run a full time internet radio station? You have music, you have audio clips. It’s not hard to get gigs and gigs of free talks from Chomsky/Zinn etc.

  You could ask for fans to submit their own hour long shows. Just run it constantly in a stream, maybe a daily group of stuff that runs all week, until the next. Sounds reasonable.

• Comment by falcore on June 19th, 2007 at 12:25 am:

  just read that fat mike article, so the whole thing with punk voter was to get young people to vote (for the right guy) isn’t that what mtv’s rock the vote was about telling kids or young adults that you must vote who cares that the choices are shit and a shit with corn.

• Comment by Hairhole on June 20th, 2007 at 12:24 am:

  Inspired by ‘Hamroid’s’ (fuck that guy’s a genious. Hahaha.) lastest post on the Propagandhi site, I figured I’d let yas know what’s happenin’ for World Refugee day in Vancouver Canada:

  Celebrate World Refugee Day - Wednesday, June 20

  The Canadian Red Cross and Vancouver Refugee Council present “TAKING REFUGE
  AMONG US” … a series of activities and events throughout the day to help
  people explore refugee experiences in Canada, and Canada’s role in offering
  them protection and assistance. Vancouver Public Library, 350 W. Georgia
  St. For more information, contact Jenny Moss (604) 709-6662 /
  jenny [dot] moss [at] redcross [dot] ca

  12:00 – 2:00 pm – How do refugees come to Canada?
  Learn from agencies and refugees themselves how Canada protects refugees
  through government assistance, private sponsorship and the claimant
  process. Library Concourse.

  5:30 – 6:30 pm – A day in the life of a refugee claimant: a simulation
  experience for yourself, what it is like to arrive in Canada and request
  protection. Discussion to follow simulation. Alice McKay Room (downstairs).

  7:30 – 9:00 pm – Facing facts: myths and misconceptions about refugees and
  protection. Participate with speakers from the refugee community, legal and
  community services and government agencies who together will outline the
  legal, humanitarian response to the refugee reality and help us explore how
  we can all contribute to a positive start in Canada for refugees fleeing
  persecution. Alice McKay Room (downstairs). Admission is free.

  p.s Buju Banton rocks the shit. Check out the track ’small axe’ or ‘destiny’ if you don’t believe me. For you punk rockers, I’m going to say I concur with ‘Hamroid’s’ (l o fuck me running) endorsement for SNFU’s ‘if you swear, you’ll catch no fish’.

  p.p.s for those of you who literally almost killed themselves after (’rolling stone’s street figting man’) G7 stopped making radio shows (I know I was one of you too!), I highly recommend the Propagandhi DVD. I laughed, I cryed, I banged my head…what more can one ask for? Nothing.

• Comment by tom on June 20th, 2007 at 8:07 am:

  actually, one can ask for farting!!!!! but there was none, so i killed myself

• Comment by caítlin on June 21st, 2007 at 10:26 am:

  I wanted y’all to be the first cyberactivists to know - we just got word (after an extremely emotional conference about trafficking) that LORDORICE AND IMELDA HAVE LEAVE TO REMAIN FOR THREE YEARS!!

  There is no way you can over-estimate what this means for them. Thank you all so so much.

  I owe you each a beer.

• Comment by Tony UK on June 22nd, 2007 at 3:52 am:

  Wow, thats fucking amazing. Congratulations Caitlin, bit of a kick up the arse for people who don’t do enough work for people who need it there (like me, for example).
  Hairhole, by Buju Banton do you mean the guy who hates gay people and wants to shoot them, or the guy who sang on that Rancid record? Oh wait, its the same person! Now I might’ve said “Stan” was pretty clever, but I’ve never said Eminem “rocks the shit”. Mahaha.

• Comment by tom on June 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 pm:

  nice caít mchaír, way to go yo.

  so derek, how come when i offered you a small act of love and compassion you rejected me and made me cry? it doesn’t make sense, you seasalted…person…you…

• Comment by Tony UK on June 22nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm:

  Derek, i have a question old buddy old pal. As we all know, the punk voter thing fell on its arse, but what do you think the idea of the whole thing should’ve been? To back a Green Party? To not get involved in Party Politics at all? It just seems like the intentions started out as good, and then got muddled up somewhere along the way…anyone care to answer?

• Comment by Duncan on June 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 am:

  Caítlin: That is totally fucking awesome.

• Comment by Nathan on June 25th, 2007 at 11:48 am:

  Being involved in politics goes as far as the possibility for change. In the United States there are a lot of areas for change that are within our reach, the first being Universal Health care.

  If you are in a swing state, you should vote for less harm as the value in lives and decisions still means tons of lives.

  If you are not in a swing state, you should vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all.

  This has to be in connection with organization on a lower level, and a commitment to working together with other groups to build a type of movement that can sustain and assist, and create change.

• Comment by D-Rock on June 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pm:

  Tony UK: Essentially, a plan that would have actually have been effective - that is, at potentially changing America (maybe), as opposed to enriching support for the Democratic Party - would have revolved around political action and community organizing at the grassroots level. Not equating the act of voting with being an activist.

  The tactic of strategic voting - and the public discouragement of a 3rd party candidate running in the election - demonstrates why it’s a bad idea via its own logic. It’s a farce of democracy. If the campaign was dead set on revolving around voting, why not put all this energy towards a candidate - like Ralph Nader, or someone else - who actually represented the values and ideals of a true democracy?

• Comment by Tony Uk on June 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pm:

  Yeh, I agree. I was asked about what i thought would have been a better idea a few days ago, and answered with: (excuse the Limey language)
  ” The whole thing was daft. Rock for Sustainable Capitalism is bang on, Propagandhi might have a smaller fan base but at least theyre encouraging their fans to make thought out decisions about politics. For the size of crowd some kind of punk rock Politician would appeal to (I mean come on, it is a sub-culture when alls said and done) I really think promoting grass roots activism will have a far more productive effect on peoples lives than encouraging to vote for the lesser of two dickwad money grubbers every four years. I think using celebrity as leverage is a great idea, but its never done right. He wasn’t thinking much about longevity, he could have built something bigger and better over time rather than one bash and then admitting defeat. I don’t think going round the States singing “Idiot Son Of An Asshole” with a Vans banner behind your head is political activism, it isn’t helping any struggling Americans, and actually endorses sweatshop labour and consumer capitalism, surely? I understand the idea of making things easier to digest for the youngsters among the fans on the site too, but i also thought it insulted peoples intelligence. Anyone who is ever gonna vote must be able to grasp politics to a fair degree, the idea of kids thinking “well if all my punk rock heroes back this guy, then im going to aswell…” eurgh. Let people read for themselves, from a well researched source, then decide if they even want to vote.”
  Its not too disimilar to your answer I guess. I’m still very skeptical/confused as to what would work, I don’t know enough about it, but I don’t think the punk-a-doodle-do’s do either, thats my concern. I saw an essay on the site from a member of Bad Religion, basically saying a Green vote is a wasted vote because it increases the chances of Republicans getting in. So all them punks with all that money couldn’t back a Liberal thinker? My head hurts. Thanks for taking the time to answer anyway, tis a hard one indeed.

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