Comments on: Notes from the Eastern shores http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:39:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Tony Uk http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5924 Tony Uk Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:04:52 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5924 Yeh, I agree. I was asked about what i thought would have been a better idea a few days ago, and answered with: (excuse the Limey language) " The whole thing was daft. Rock for Sustainable Capitalism is bang on, Propagandhi might have a smaller fan base but at least theyre encouraging their fans to make thought out decisions about politics. For the size of crowd some kind of punk rock Politician would appeal to (I mean come on, it is a sub-culture when alls said and done) I really think promoting grass roots activism will have a far more productive effect on peoples lives than encouraging to vote for the lesser of two dickwad money grubbers every four years. I think using celebrity as leverage is a great idea, but its never done right. He wasn't thinking much about longevity, he could have built something bigger and better over time rather than one bash and then admitting defeat. I don't think going round the States singing "Idiot Son Of An Asshole" with a Vans banner behind your head is political activism, it isn't helping any struggling Americans, and actually endorses sweatshop labour and consumer capitalism, surely? I understand the idea of making things easier to digest for the youngsters among the fans on the site too, but i also thought it insulted peoples intelligence. Anyone who is ever gonna vote must be able to grasp politics to a fair degree, the idea of kids thinking "well if all my punk rock heroes back this guy, then im going to aswell..." eurgh. Let people read for themselves, from a well researched source, then decide if they even want to vote." Its not too disimilar to your answer I guess. I'm still very skeptical/confused as to what would work, I don't know enough about it, but I don't think the punk-a-doodle-do's do either, thats my concern. I saw an essay on the site from a member of Bad Religion, basically saying a Green vote is a wasted vote because it increases the chances of Republicans getting in. So all them punks with all that money couldn't back a Liberal thinker? My head hurts. Thanks for taking the time to answer anyway, tis a hard one indeed. Yeh, I agree. I was asked about what i thought would have been a better idea a few days ago, and answered with: (excuse the Limey language)
” The whole thing was daft. Rock for Sustainable Capitalism is bang on, Propagandhi might have a smaller fan base but at least theyre encouraging their fans to make thought out decisions about politics. For the size of crowd some kind of punk rock Politician would appeal to (I mean come on, it is a sub-culture when alls said and done) I really think promoting grass roots activism will have a far more productive effect on peoples lives than encouraging to vote for the lesser of two dickwad money grubbers every four years. I think using celebrity as leverage is a great idea, but its never done right. He wasn’t thinking much about longevity, he could have built something bigger and better over time rather than one bash and then admitting defeat. I don’t think going round the States singing “Idiot Son Of An Asshole” with a Vans banner behind your head is political activism, it isn’t helping any struggling Americans, and actually endorses sweatshop labour and consumer capitalism, surely? I understand the idea of making things easier to digest for the youngsters among the fans on the site too, but i also thought it insulted peoples intelligence. Anyone who is ever gonna vote must be able to grasp politics to a fair degree, the idea of kids thinking “well if all my punk rock heroes back this guy, then im going to aswell…” eurgh. Let people read for themselves, from a well researched source, then decide if they even want to vote.”
Its not too disimilar to your answer I guess. I’m still very skeptical/confused as to what would work, I don’t know enough about it, but I don’t think the punk-a-doodle-do’s do either, thats my concern. I saw an essay on the site from a member of Bad Religion, basically saying a Green vote is a wasted vote because it increases the chances of Republicans getting in. So all them punks with all that money couldn’t back a Liberal thinker? My head hurts. Thanks for taking the time to answer anyway, tis a hard one indeed.

]]> By: D-Rock http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5922 D-Rock Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:48:41 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5922 <b>Tony UK</b>: Essentially, a plan that would have actually have been effective - that is, at potentially changing America (maybe), as opposed to enriching support for the Democratic Party - would have revolved around political action and community organizing at the grassroots level. <em>Not</em> equating the act of voting with being an activist. The tactic of strategic voting - and the public discouragement of a 3rd party candidate running in the election - demonstrates why it's a bad idea via its own logic. It's a farce of democracy. If the campaign was dead set on revolving around voting, why not put all this energy towards a candidate - like Ralph Nader, or someone else - who actually represented the values and ideals of a true democracy? Tony UK: Essentially, a plan that would have actually have been effective - that is, at potentially changing America (maybe), as opposed to enriching support for the Democratic Party - would have revolved around political action and community organizing at the grassroots level. Not equating the act of voting with being an activist.

The tactic of strategic voting - and the public discouragement of a 3rd party candidate running in the election - demonstrates why it’s a bad idea via its own logic. It’s a farce of democracy. If the campaign was dead set on revolving around voting, why not put all this energy towards a candidate - like Ralph Nader, or someone else - who actually represented the values and ideals of a true democracy?

]]> By: Nathan http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5921 Nathan Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:48:38 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5921 Being involved in politics goes as far as the possibility for change. In the United States there are a lot of areas for change that are within our reach, the first being Universal Health care. If you are in a swing state, you should vote for less harm as the value in lives and decisions still means tons of lives. If you are not in a swing state, you should vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. This has to be in connection with organization on a lower level, and a commitment to working together with other groups to build a type of movement that can sustain and assist, and create change. Being involved in politics goes as far as the possibility for change. In the United States there are a lot of areas for change that are within our reach, the first being Universal Health care.

If you are in a swing state, you should vote for less harm as the value in lives and decisions still means tons of lives.

If you are not in a swing state, you should vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all.

This has to be in connection with organization on a lower level, and a commitment to working together with other groups to build a type of movement that can sustain and assist, and create change.

]]> By: Duncan http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5919 Duncan Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:29:41 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5919 Caítlin: That is totally fucking awesome. Caítlin: That is totally fucking awesome.

]]> By: Tony UK http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5918 Tony UK Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:06:19 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5918 Derek, i have a question old buddy old pal. As we all know, the punk voter thing fell on its arse, but what do you think the idea of the whole thing should've been? To back a Green Party? To not get involved in Party Politics at all? It just seems like the intentions started out as good, and then got muddled up somewhere along the way...anyone care to answer? Derek, i have a question old buddy old pal. As we all know, the punk voter thing fell on its arse, but what do you think the idea of the whole thing should’ve been? To back a Green Party? To not get involved in Party Politics at all? It just seems like the intentions started out as good, and then got muddled up somewhere along the way…anyone care to answer?

]]> By: tom http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5915 tom Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:12:20 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5915 nice caít mchaír, way to go yo. so derek, how come when i offered you a small act of love and compassion you rejected me and made me cry? it doesn't make sense, you seasalted...person...you... nice caít mchaír, way to go yo.

so derek, how come when i offered you a small act of love and compassion you rejected me and made me cry? it doesn’t make sense, you seasalted…person…you…

]]> By: Tony UK http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5914 Tony UK Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:52:35 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5914 Wow, thats fucking amazing. Congratulations Caitlin, bit of a kick up the arse for people who don't do enough work for people who need it there (like me, for example). Hairhole, by Buju Banton do you mean the guy who hates gay people and wants to shoot them, or the guy who sang on that Rancid record? Oh wait, its the same person! Now I might've said "Stan" was pretty clever, but I've never said Eminem "rocks the shit". Mahaha. Wow, thats fucking amazing. Congratulations Caitlin, bit of a kick up the arse for people who don’t do enough work for people who need it there (like me, for example).
Hairhole, by Buju Banton do you mean the guy who hates gay people and wants to shoot them, or the guy who sang on that Rancid record? Oh wait, its the same person! Now I might’ve said “Stan” was pretty clever, but I’ve never said Eminem “rocks the shit”. Mahaha.

]]> By: caítlin http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5912 caítlin Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:26:59 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5912 I wanted y'all to be the first cyberactivists to know - we just got word (after an extremely emotional conference about trafficking) that LORDORICE AND IMELDA HAVE LEAVE TO REMAIN FOR THREE YEARS!! There is no way you can over-estimate what this means for them. Thank you all so so much. I owe you each a beer. I wanted y’all to be the first cyberactivists to know - we just got word (after an extremely emotional conference about trafficking) that LORDORICE AND IMELDA HAVE LEAVE TO REMAIN FOR THREE YEARS!!

There is no way you can over-estimate what this means for them. Thank you all so so much.

I owe you each a beer.

]]> By: tom http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5911 tom Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:07:44 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5911 actually, one can ask for farting!!!!! but there was none, so i killed myself actually, one can ask for farting!!!!! but there was none, so i killed myself

]]> By: Hairhole http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5910 Hairhole Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:24:49 +0000 http://g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/archives/notes-from-the-eastern-shores/#comment-5910 Inspired by 'Hamroid's' (fuck that guy's a genious. Hahaha.) lastest post on the Propagandhi site, I figured I'd let yas know what's happenin' for World Refugee day in Vancouver Canada: Celebrate World Refugee Day - Wednesday, June 20 The Canadian Red Cross and Vancouver Refugee Council present "TAKING REFUGE AMONG US" ... a series of activities and events throughout the day to help people explore refugee experiences in Canada, and Canada’s role in offering them protection and assistance. Vancouver Public Library, 350 W. Georgia St. For more information, contact Jenny Moss (604) 709-6662 / jenny.moss@redcross.ca 12:00 – 2:00 pm – How do refugees come to Canada? Learn from agencies and refugees themselves how Canada protects refugees through government assistance, private sponsorship and the claimant process. Library Concourse. 5:30 – 6:30 pm – A day in the life of a refugee claimant: a simulation experience for yourself, what it is like to arrive in Canada and request protection. Discussion to follow simulation. Alice McKay Room (downstairs). 7:30 – 9:00 pm – Facing facts: myths and misconceptions about refugees and protection. Participate with speakers from the refugee community, legal and community services and government agencies who together will outline the legal, humanitarian response to the refugee reality and help us explore how we can all contribute to a positive start in Canada for refugees fleeing persecution. Alice McKay Room (downstairs). Admission is free. p.s Buju Banton rocks the shit. Check out the track 'small axe' or 'destiny' if you don't believe me. For you punk rockers, I'm going to say I concur with 'Hamroid's' (l o fuck me running) endorsement for SNFU's 'if you swear, you'll catch no fish'. p.p.s for those of you who literally almost killed themselves after ('rolling stone's street figting man') G7 stopped making radio shows (I know I was one of you too!), I highly recommend the Propagandhi DVD. I laughed, I cryed, I banged my head...what more can one ask for? Nothing. Inspired by ‘Hamroid’s’ (fuck that guy’s a genious. Hahaha.) lastest post on the Propagandhi site, I figured I’d let yas know what’s happenin’ for World Refugee day in Vancouver Canada:

Celebrate World Refugee Day - Wednesday, June 20

The Canadian Red Cross and Vancouver Refugee Council present “TAKING REFUGE
AMONG US” … a series of activities and events throughout the day to help
people explore refugee experiences in Canada, and Canada’s role in offering
them protection and assistance. Vancouver Public Library, 350 W. Georgia
St. For more information, contact Jenny Moss (604) 709-6662 /
jenny [dot] moss [at] redcross [dot] ca

12:00 – 2:00 pm – How do refugees come to Canada?
Learn from agencies and refugees themselves how Canada protects refugees
through government assistance, private sponsorship and the claimant
process. Library Concourse.

5:30 – 6:30 pm – A day in the life of a refugee claimant: a simulation
experience for yourself, what it is like to arrive in Canada and request
protection. Discussion to follow simulation. Alice McKay Room (downstairs).

7:30 – 9:00 pm – Facing facts: myths and misconceptions about refugees and
protection. Participate with speakers from the refugee community, legal and
community services and government agencies who together will outline the
legal, humanitarian response to the refugee reality and help us explore how
we can all contribute to a positive start in Canada for refugees fleeing
persecution. Alice McKay Room (downstairs). Admission is free.

p.s Buju Banton rocks the shit. Check out the track ’small axe’ or ‘destiny’ if you don’t believe me. For you punk rockers, I’m going to say I concur with ‘Hamroid’s’ (l o fuck me running) endorsement for SNFU’s ‘if you swear, you’ll catch no fish’.

p.p.s for those of you who literally almost killed themselves after (’rolling stone’s street figting man’) G7 stopped making radio shows (I know I was one of you too!), I highly recommend the Propagandhi DVD. I laughed, I cryed, I banged my head…what more can one ask for? Nothing.

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