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Terror Attacks, Then and Now
Posted by D-Rock on 08/04/05 (Shite)
A couple of articles that are worth the time to read … August 6th and 9th mark the anniversaries of the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki … The Worst Terror Attacks in History.
Also, our friend Peter Garden forwarded an illuminating article regarding suicide bombings and the motivation behind them … illuminating possibly as much because of its source as its content. Many of the “progressive” persuasion probably knew or inferreed a lot of this already – that suicide and terror attacks are largely motivated by political struggle, as opposed to “religious fundamentalism” – but to see it in American Conservative magazine is something else.
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Comment by JohnT on August 5th, 2005 at 10:25 am:
It’s sad that most of the people who support all of the current wars and support Israel so much won’t read this; and if they did, they would dismiss it.
The Right (and some of the left) are so stuck on the idea of “they hate us for our freedom.”
Comment by caitlin on August 5th, 2005 at 4:53 pm:
Its fucking bizzare how much people support this – like they get some masturbatory joy out of suffering when they call it necessary. Yeah, that was soo necessary. There have been so many polls and stuff of Brits (I can’t speak for you over-the-ponders) saying they fully supported it, what the fuck? In defense of their “culture”, or their “people”?
Are they repeating it because thats what they’re told and they havent thought to question it, or do people really think that scale of death is acceptable?
And the left can be just as bad too – zealotous dogmatics who use loss of life as political ammunition. What came first, these movements for liberation and equality, or the humanity which inspired them? I’m not an activist because I want to force people into my line of thinking. But I guess I’m preaching to the converted here.
Talking about Nagasaki and Hiroshima is always a sensitive (read challenging) point with pro-War morons – try it :)
Comment by JohnT on August 5th, 2005 at 9:09 pm:
It is VERY bizzare, indeed :o)
I just keep thinking to myself, how in the hell is it LEGAL for our governing officials to blatanly LIE to us about the reasons for why so much of the world despises our countries (your country and my country that is…UK and USA…as well as other countries).
The media only encourages this behavior with showing ONLY people who say things such as “we are defending our way of life” and “defending our freedoms” — it only enhances most people’s belief that these suicide bombings in Washington, London, etc. are because these people are jealous because we are “free” or because they want to…”hold” us down because they don’t want us to be “free.”
It’s like there’s a big, fat elephant in the room and 90% of the people don’t want to see it.
Comment by caítlin on August 8th, 2005 at 9:25 am:
a pink elephant! Nice analogy. Except the poor elephants probably wouldn’t like it.
Its a shame also that the state of the media in other countries doesn’t seem much better. Some French tv and journalism is quality, but its mostly so zealously pro-Europe that it can’t really critique, or so totally conservative that its irrelevant. Irish TV is dominated [from my experience, but i don't get a lot of it] by conservative catholics; they’ll criticise the UK but not the Dail etc etc. Its fuckedup. And it makes it so much more difficult that the alternative media sources are mostly only available to those of fortunate enough to have the internet, and who are capable of reading and writing.
They’ve (whoever they are) done a pretty good job mindfucking us into thinking when they shoot someone dead for carrying a bag in London that HE’S the freedom hater.
One of the nicest lyrics; “if our schools [and media evidently] wont teach us, we’ll teach ourselves to anaylse and understand… and share it with each other.” Fuckinright.
Comment by JohnT on August 8th, 2005 at 11:10 am:
Here in the USA, every mainstream media source mimics each other…to get an independent idea about ANYTHING, you’d have to read some kind of dissident book or website article.
Every day it’s “our soldiers in Iraq are courageously fighting for our freedom” and “another Palestinian protest got out of hand today and 3 died when Israeli police tried to break it up.”
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if all of a sudden a totally honest TV network opened up and started spouting off the truth about everything; you think our countries would allow it? haha
Comment by jerkemy on August 8th, 2005 at 11:55 am:
Yeah, I remember an argument with some coworker at some crappy retail job who was trying to tell me that dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was totally necessary, that we’d like, still be fighting Japan or all speaking German right now if it weren’t for atomic weapons.
What an asshole.
Comment by thomas on August 8th, 2005 at 12:21 pm:
i guess mainstream media is carzy wherever you go. in quebec, and probably canada, it is still relatively hard to find a genuine and honest media analyses. sometimes the government sponsored media here will ask some real and penetrating questions, but mostly the media here focuses on celebrities and hockey.
alternative media here is really quite amazing. the local community radio has a huge membership base and the stories they put out are really diverse, meaningful, and most importantly- relevant! all kinds of people are invloved, and everyone involved, listener and reporter, or producer, benefits from it.
the human process of learning is something that must be done at the human level. on the street and not in some bought out corporate school, where whoever fits best into the system, is most dis-proportionately awarded.
how is the alternative media where you are from?
Comment by caítlin on August 8th, 2005 at 2:17 pm:
Its actually really interesting what you were saying about the radio – I live in a very, very politically backward place, we’ve had a civil war here for at least 30years (depends on who you ask) and activism here is only really germinating now. Its not politics if its not sectarian. (In short its a total shithole, but its kind of complicated…) Needless to say, in northern ireland we just don’t have that stuff.
In Belfast – a capital city, i shit you not – we used to have one, thats right, ONE left bookshop and a drop-in centre (this is over the last thirty years) but they both died. :( For the rest you have to be affiliated to some group or another for international analyses.
Its traditionally a very conservative place – because the war is between two religious (but subsequently social) groups, their side’s conservative dogmas and the media flown directly over from Blighty are mindblowingly prevalent. The alternative media (if you can call two websites and the different leftie newspapers that) is very separatist and specialist.. Eg, we had an LGBT pride parade on Saturday (an accomplishment in itself for Belfast, land of the right wing paramilitaries and even more right wing churchgoers) but no-one outside of the LGBT communities (and homophobes) or potentially one or two left parties knew about it until we were struttin’ our fine queer asses down main st. And this is our *fifteenth* pride! Things don’t seem to change here.
And its definately the same when it comes to reports mimicking each other. Its interesting that you used Palestine as an example.. we hardly even hear about it here, but when we do (and this prooves the ultimate baseness of our politics) its because Catholics and Protestants fighting each other have taken sides with the ones they “identify” with, to the point some estates have israeli flags… shoot me in the head, it’d be an act of kindness.
Its also interesting because the general idea in Britain is that northern Irish people are jump-down-your-throat political, and in certain (dumb) respects its true, so our media wouldn’t dare refer to the British army as “our brave troops” (trigger a nationalist furore… alienate half the community.. loose money.) but the atmosphere is so oppressive and narrowly focused you would never find real analytical journalism.
The main danger though is imported from mainland UK in the horrible form of papers like the Sun and the Star. The two religious groups are fairly evenly matched and can hold their own, hence why neither have won in this stupid charade, but when British rags start their hysterical rants about immigration it takes a divided community and fucks it up some more with HUGE numbers of racist incidents etc (in the country with the lowest immigrant population in the UK.), often in a patholigical attempt at “being British” (something which, aside from skins, is not a big deal to anyone else in britain).
And I should point out that when I’m talking about mainstream media, I’m talking about articles etc ive found on the net from Britain occassionally, Europe/N. America more commonly.
End lesson in Northern Ireland politics.
I may be being very niave and utopian but canadanadana seems fucking cool for activism. Perhaps its just luck that the people I’ve met and the sites/bands/films etc that i’ve checked out that happened to be canadian are predominantly cool, but the idea of a community radio like that just sounds fab. Although I can definately relate to the distraction stuff, the british media is bizzarely fixated with celebrity and football.
As for a sudden revolution in news, it might be cynical but i think companies just don’t get far until they’ve dumbed down significantly. Look at the utter degeneration of the Labour party here, or the two most political papers here becoming increasingly dominated by highbrow equivilents to “what to wear this season”.
I swear I don’t normally rant this much… It may be hyperbolic but its sincere.
Its just really interesting, I’m sure Belfast could have been like Quebec if people werent so distracted by the war.
Comment by sean on August 8th, 2005 at 3:03 pm:
Tyranny is born from nationalism. Nationalism is born in response to a tragedy. So falling my highly mathematical formula, 9/11 was the tragedy. After tragedies, their is always a knee jerk reaction and often times it is putting to much trust in the government, aka nationalism. The trust is exploited, and tyranny is born. The facists in italy came to power the same way and so did the nazis. It is a viscious cycle with with an unimaginably high death count.
Comment by JohnT on August 8th, 2005 at 4:01 pm:
Answering Thomas’ question:
I live in North Carolina, USA…there are no alternative media sources :o(
The closest you get on TV is probably PBS (the educational station) and on the radio it would probably be university-owned stations – you can tell how an education helps opinions, sometimes :o)
But, both sources that I stated above are far from being as trustworthy as we’d like.
Comment by thomas on August 8th, 2005 at 5:17 pm:
thats interesting. here, the community radio is largely funded by a university. however, the membership is mostly or at least partially made up of non-students. the station also has (relatively almost) complete control of the sound waves they broadcast. it is by no means “owned” by a university.
Comment by thomas on August 9th, 2005 at 12:12 pm:
Caitlyns post above is the reason we should all move to northern ireland.
I actually heard about the belfast pride parade on a radio show called queer corps. and i think it raises a lot of questions. by the way, its really inspiring to hear something like that.
in canada, the state just changed the “definition” of mairiage to include samesex couples. and now the way the mainstream media has portrayed it, it seems like the fight is over. but its totally so far from over. your post above illustrates that so well. im sure marriage is maybe a small concern compared to the harrasment, prejudice, and abuse queer peoples face in northern ireland.
and another question arises: who the fuck is the state telling people who they can and cannot fuck, or who they can and cannot marry? human companionship, and marriage, probably predates all states. marriage was borne out of religious doctrine, and maybe now it is more state controlled. but thats just the thing: state controlled. i dont know if marriage is a good thing to strive for, no matter what your sexuality may be.
but hey- if people want to marry, every single person should have that right.
Comment by caítlin on August 9th, 2005 at 1:49 pm:
Unfortunately, if I’m not mistaken, moving to N.I would negate your right to fuck who you want :( but you could be the first man in our queer youth collective :P
I believe anal sex between two men is illegal here, or at least it was until ridiculously recently, and the age of consent is higher than hetero-sex. No rules for sapphic relationships because some dumb brit queen failed to believe women could possibly fulfill each other. Wahey.
I bet she was shit in bed.
So does the new definition allow equity and benefits etc? Because I know they’re legalising civil unions in Britain soon but I’m not sure that they’re recognised in terms of housing, family tax credits etc, so the discrimination remains very much institutionalised with a few pretty words to seem like some huge concession.
Its a pretty tragic state of affairs that I’m IMPRESSED your country are allowing you to marry who you want. This stuff should be a given by now, no?
I’m not getting married but I’m glad y’all are starting the ball rolling.. I reckon it’ll be a while before things like that happen here. The British government (who make most of our legislation while devolution is suspended) have to write special amendments for leg that is too “progressive”, especially relating to queer/abortion rights, because the Northern Irish politicians would never take it. If it wasnt so fucking horrible it’d be amusing – the only time the rightwing protestants and the dogmatic catholics (who like to refer to themselves as socialists….) unite is when they have a bigger enemy to bully.
I’m amazed you heard about our Pride! That actually makes me really happy. If only the visibilty would start WITHIN northern Ireland, then we’d be flying. Its wicked you have a radio show for LGBT people, we have some queer-friendly people in the media but to acknowledge the community? Thats waaay too “radical”.
I can totally relate about the media making it seem like the fight is over. The BBC here took this liberal “let them come out of the woodwork for their little demo” attitude, oh-so-patronising – it was like we should be thanking them for allowing us to defend ourselves.. but having a pride doesnt signify the end of our fight by any means (homophobic attacks are up 150%, there are pictures of pride go-ers on right wing websites and on it goes)
They do the same with feminism too, and the troubles to a degree… they give you one reform or enough rope to hang yourself and then you have to shutup and get back to your corner for a year.
Slow hand clap time for Labour. Again.
Comment by thomas on August 10th, 2005 at 12:30 pm:
if i did move to belfast, i would fuck whoever i wanted, as long as it was mutually consentual, of course, and i think it being against the law would make it that more fun. ahhh sex…………..ahem,
befast might not have a big alternative media scene -yet- but i think its the work that you and the people you work with are doing that is going to benefit a lot of people in the future. cheers to your courage!
im not sure about the exact legislative details, but i would hope to desperately imagine that it would entail all “benefits”, “rights”, and “privileges”, that are granted to hetero sexual couples.
are the politicans in your country all old white men? i think its time for youth everywhere to take over and dis-mantle…..keep on fighting.
Comment by caítlin on August 10th, 2005 at 1:54 pm:
Aww thankyou for the encouragement!!
this is the biggest politician in northern ireland/rightwing protestant messiah who called catholic kids “vermon”.
http://www.sluggerot...es/2004/12/index.php
http://www.source.ie...0/is20revpoleur.html
Looks like Sharon to me.
this is the second biggest politician in NI. My dad looks a lot like him, and people say i look like my dad :(
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x10401.xml
http://www.ulsterflash.iofm.net/
Sadly the young ones are no better. The top dudes son is like, thirty, and a complete scumbag. They seem to somehow be more militant, despite having no real experience of the troubles themselves. Its a sad sad world when the young are more reactionary than the old – a local left party has a membership almost exclusively over 40, but with the right its the opposite. Bizzare.
I would be very careful about the equity thing – if your government are like ours, they’re good at making superficial reforms into grandiose gestures.
Comment by thomas on August 11th, 2005 at 12:00 pm:
who is that band on the ulsterflash link? i thought it was woodie guthrie, but no way. it cant be.
well, even though people may look alike, looks mean nothing. its being a nationalist politician that makes him buttfucking ugly. not that buttfucking is ugly… fuckin language sucks.
Comment by caítlin on August 11th, 2005 at 1:51 pm:
language does suck. That site is hilarious, so ridiculous. I haven’t felt *surprised* in along time.
I cant see a band :/
Ah, they’ve been planting bombs again. what fun. Actually I think some old Provisional (or maybe continuity) IRA have links with dissident Quebecois.
Comment by Yaniv on August 11th, 2005 at 10:19 pm:
Those who seek further analysis of the sheer causes condusive of suicide terrorism, should, vis-a-vis Islam, Iraq, and the history of resistance in the Middle East, read Tariq Ali’s “Clash of Fundamentalisms” or “Bush in Babaylon: the Recolonization of Iraq.” If interested in some of the most flagrant but, of course, ignored crimes against humanity perpetrated through the US-sponsored, U.N Economic war-minded embargo of the 1990’s – from an ample first-hand perception of the atrocities – Kathy Kelley’s new book “Other lands have dreams” came out resently. Ak press published it. Is fucking poignant but empowering. Get it.
Comment by caítlin on August 12th, 2005 at 6:22 am:
Other lands have dreams floored me. Clash of Fundamentalisms is on my list.
Comment by thomas on August 12th, 2005 at 1:35 pm:
I dont doubt the links. In the seventies here, the FLQ (federation de la liberation du quebec), a terrorist or resistance political group, were responsible for numerous bombings and kinappings. violent “liberation” groups always know where to find each other.
which raises the question: is violence a viable political stategy? or just a furtherance of the circle? im sure there are different answers for different situations.
Pacifism as Pathology by Ward Churchill.
Comment by caítlin on August 12th, 2005 at 3:39 pm:
I really want to read that.
The IRA have been linked to ETA too…
I’m not a pacifist, but that’s one question I’ve had a lot of difficulty with in the past. I doubt there are many true pacifists left in the world – the term is oversimplified, when you stop to think of the indirect but inherent violence in many of our actions… There are, though, some very interesting pacifist anarchist essays out there, which i very much recommend for a wee brain-work out.
As for its viabilty, I have sincere doubts. I’m not an initiator of violence but I wouldnt think twice (at least ethically) about defending myself or someone vulnerable, and most acts of N.V direct action. As for stuff like suicide bombing, I don’t think it makes much difference and I can’t support the arbitrary murders of average people that often result… You know that old Simpsons joke about PR people, ‘if you kill us two more will take our place’ – seems like that.
But how can you compete with a violent system, except with violence?
Comment by caítlin on August 12th, 2005 at 5:39 pm:
http://www.zmag.org/...D=55&ItemID=8490
– THAT sort of thing makes me want to fucking kill. As nice as the idea of pacifism is, who is going to deal with that successfully without resorting to violence?
Since when have BABIES been gang members?
Comment by Marc on August 13th, 2005 at 1:14 pm:
What..the..fuck. That shit is repulsive.
Comment by caítlin on August 13th, 2005 at 5:05 pm:
Those are the worst stories… They just defy sense.
Thats what they call collateral damage.
Comment by thomas on August 14th, 2005 at 10:37 am:
ok, what does peak oil mean?
Comment by caítlin on August 14th, 2005 at 11:08 am:
I believe its about the inevitable depletion of oil – it will “peak” and our pathetic little lives will change forever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.peakoil.com i think is a site too.
Comment by Smitty on August 17th, 2005 at 11:54 am:
im sick and tired of hearing that we are defending freedom from terror when its way to obvious that they are simple encourging terror against the west its probley been said a thousand. Cant people understand that they dont hate our “freedom” they hate the fact we bardge on in to there countrys bomb them shoot them and tell them they have 2 live like us cos we have the best way of living
Comment by nouveaupope on August 29th, 2005 at 2:34 pm:
well, I guess this blog lasted about as long as I thought it would.
Comment by watchout on September 27th, 2005 at 10:39 am:
http://www.infowars....ermind_mi6_asset.htm
evidence proving mastermind was involved in MI6 operations
Comment by watchout on October 4th, 2005 at 7:45 pm:
http://www.infowars.com/resources.html
here is over 100 links to 9/11 being an inside job.
Comment by JEREMY on October 8th, 2005 at 9:43 pm:
You idiots need to really stop crying about this shit. What the fuck do you idiots with no education know about the world. I’m not defending Bush cause he is an idiot and I won’t argue that point. My point is you little fairies whine and cry everytime your nation gets into a conflict. And the funny thing is you don’t know a fucking thing about it. Have you guys been to Iraq? Have you served in the military? So basically you morons are pointing fingers and shouting about things you have no understanding of. And lets talk about when we dropped the bombs in Japan Caitlin. Do you know how many more lives would have been lost if we would have had to take Japan by force? Alot more then died in the bombings. And if Japan wasn’t so proud and stupid the second bomb wouldn’t have been dropped. So basically if you don’t like America, and keep disrespecting the people who served and gave their lives so you could shit in their faces then get the fuck out of the United States and move to Canada you stupid fucking hippies. Your not punks thats for sure. Real punks wouldn’t give a flying fuck. And those Army symbols are a nice touch. I wonder if the Army would appreciate those been used without offical permission. You fucking clowns
Comment by caítlin on October 9th, 2005 at 6:32 am:
Ok JEREMY, lets talk about Japan some more. Lets talk about itchy trigger fingers, death on an imaginable scale somewhere where you don’t have to worry about it, somewhere the impact is still being felt today. Perhaps you can tell me how many more lives would have been lost if they had continued by traditional means? And I didn’t actually realise being “proud and stupid” (Im sure we’re all convinced now, by the way) was basis for murdering hundreds of thousands of people, disabling more, and ruining a large stretch of land. And who the hell are you, years later, to decide it was acceptable? Lets turn the question back to you for a second – have YOU been there?
Now, dear, I’m not American, I most certainly have not served in any military, nor will I ever, and I’m fucking thrilled i’m not a “real punk” if a “real punk wouldn’t give a flying fuck” about the arbitrary murder of thousands. I am, however, a little fairy – I have a wand and everything.
Comment by riseup on October 9th, 2005 at 8:58 pm:
jeremy, those were the stupids most ignorant comments I have heard on this blog. Just because somebody chooses not to serve in the military does not mean they do not have a voice in what their countries military does. If your describing the USA as a dictatorship
(which I think it is) than yes regular citizens should not a say in their countries military.
Comment by Jeremy on October 9th, 2005 at 10:45 pm:
You all have this nice idea of peace in your heads. There will never be peace. And America is not the only guilty ones here. You probably don’t think we should have helped out the people of kuwait when iraq invaded them. Since our helping those people and having a presence in Saudi Arabia is what caused 9/11. I guess we kind of had it coming. Yeah we are some sons of bitches huh. I have been there. I’ve been to Saudi Arabia and lived in Riyadh. I’ve been to kuwait, egypt and iraq and I have talked to the people there. I have seen first hand what the Sunni’s did to the bedawins and the kurds and shitte’s. I have talked to them and they have told me how greatfull they are. Just go to Kuwait and you will get your hand shaken and thumbs up and cheered everywhere you go. But we’re a bunch of assholes who should have left them to die and get raped by the Iraqi Military. I have heard from the kuwaiti’s i lived with about what happened in the invasion and it was horrid. I bet you think we are doing the same things over there. That is absurd. I have been there and seen prisoners of war and if I have to be a prisoner of any country in the war it would be the US because they get treated a lot better then they would with any other army. Even with the prison scandel. But i digress. Is that the reason we went to war with Iraq? Well it was not the reason we where given, and once again I will say I don’t like Bush. And further more I would like riseup to explain how we are a dictatorship. Please enlighten me.
Comment by Jeremy on October 9th, 2005 at 10:47 pm:
and Caitlin. You have no idea what it is like to be in combat. What the hell do you know about itchy trigger fingers. Every war has casulties and the only reason it’s a problem now is that they are broadcast on t.v. so all you silly hippies can see them and piss and moan.
Comment by caítlin on October 10th, 2005 at 11:33 am:
I think its pretty unreasonable of you to expect rational discourse while you’re being so abusive. Why should we take the bait when all you’re doing is insulting us?
Nevertheless, there are a couple of things I’d like to say – symptomatic of our collective need to “piss and moan”, I guess.
“Every war has casulties and the only reason it’s a problem now is that they are broadcast on t.v. ”
Thats absurd. People have had objections – moral and other – to war since before tv. The information we have access to now helps us to effectively scrutinise our governments (thats part of democracy, by the way. If you don’t like it, perhaps YOU should move).
“America is not the only guilty ones here”
Did anyone say that? I don’t think so. I certainly don’t stand by it. Its actually nice you’re admitting that america is among the guilty, but please, this rhetoric and projection isnt even worth responding too.
The next bit wasnt exactly coherent, but if you think for one second that september 11 (something which, please remember, I am not defending) happened because of your government’s supposed humanitarianism then you and I are certainly not cut from the same cloth.
If you were in Saudi Arabia doing good stuff, then woo, I’m glad. And if somehow you were only exposed to people who supported what the army are doing, and the delusion that they were there to protect those people and not for your government’s military agenda helps you sleep at night, well, thats just fine. But perhaps you can clear something up – if you are so concerned about humanitarianism, how can you possibly justify Nagasaki?
My country has been occupied before, too – not by you, we have no oil – and dispite the media’s portrayal, the vast majority of us were against it too. A little cynacism when it comes to the media is a good idea.
Its a simple fact that troops have been out there doing fuckedup things, you cannot feasibly deny that. I can’t say I’d rather be tortured by an American than by an Iraqi. I’m not saying there arent some doing good things too – I would argue, however, that if your concern is caring for those people, perhaps you should seperate yourself from an institution which has been bombing them, abusing them and crippling them with economic sanctions.
And if you’d rather been in Guantanamo than anywhere else, perhaps you’re just a little bit strange.
Comment by Jeremy on October 12th, 2005 at 1:45 am:
So we are supposed to take advice from a person who’s country has been occupied huh? Well I will stick to the way we do business. My kids are safe and I bet I will find a lot more peace in my country then whatever shit hole you live in. Now lets talk about the Batan death march. Japan got what it deserved. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them. If you remember they started the war because we wouldn’t supply their war machine with oil. So they bombed pearl harbor. We didn’t attack Japan. We where attacked by Japan. If I was watching some little guy go up to a bigger guy and start punching him and then the little guy gets knocked out, I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him. Even if he hit his head and died the little guy got what he had coming to him. Such is life. Deal with it.
Comment by caítlin on October 12th, 2005 at 8:44 am:
Haha, I’m sorry, I didn’t realise my country’s history made my opinion irrelevent.
“If I was watching some little guy go up to a bigger guy and start punching him and then the little guy gets knocked out, I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him. Even if he hit his head and died the little guy got what he had coming to him. Such is life. Deal with it.”
I wonder, sincerely, how long you’ll stand by that if/when your country is the little guy [fuck knows you've picked a lot of fights] – when the average people like you, far more than the government, suffer. Thats what happened in Japan.
Comment by tom on March 23rd, 2006 at 10:36 pm:
jeremy you are a piece of shit. fuck you. your so blind and i wonder if your family had a nuclear bomb dropped on top of them how you would feel you fucking asshole.
well, i might feel better, you fuck.