This is not necessarily a direct response to the
points made by falcore ,as he’ll get the response the good man deserves (for posting on topic in which i retain total dominance!).

Anyway.

Iran’s system is working towards progressing towards the free market(or looking like that). Rafsanjani ( former pragmatic Iranian president) has tried to work towards it , and is also promoting it now . Also , Ahmadenijad made his statement on trying to improve the economy through this : the main reason the poorer population voted the leader who did everything but that.

He , Ahmadenijad , called it exercising article 44 to create the great revolution. I must admit , there are many ambitious projects in Iran.

Google Kish.

Actually , Here it is , you lazy bumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_Island

(scroll to see pics)
http://irandefence.n...howthread.php?t=8550

(skip two dozen photos and you’ll start to see some interesting things. And again , you’ll have to scroll down)

http://irandefence.n.../showthread.php?t=32

Anyway , that was about ambitious projects. I’m mainly referring to them trying to loosen their grip on businesses. Why ?

They control a great deal of businesses , and their supporters get higher places in that hierarchy. Clerics become fairly rich due to this. Many through corrupt practices from oil or from people themselves.

In the video i submitted , there was the man who concealed his opinions to some extent , but hinted that there are those in the country who want to ruin you.

The female supporters of the government typically wear the Chador . A lot of them question you about the ‘decency’ of your clothing , thus becoming the vigilante force. My cousin was criticized for wearing a bracelet.

Their males are the equivelant.

Guess who are fed the ideologies and constitute the marchers who are talking about their right to enrich Uranium , though i must admit that even some supporters are telling him to ’stop vexing the powers’

Guess what happens to the opposition

(ahmadenijad’s new call)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14676069/
http://www.newsmax.c...006/9/5/101027.shtml

Guess who are the replacement

http://www.youtube.c...d%5Fjerry%5Ft%2Ehtml

For the purpose of Distraction

Guess what the kid’s shows are

http://www.youtube.c.../watch?v=1edS6VGqdDY
http://www.youtube.c...=related&search=(pass about 30 seconds until the people start to sing)

I’m not making any point other than these are essentially distractions.

(i know i pasted this twice. For some reason it didn’t fit with only one. Weird)In the video i submitted , there was the many who concealed his opinions to some extent , but hinted that there are those who want to ruin you.

http://www.iranfocus...cle.php?storyid=8981

This supports the statement above and the former statement that the Iranian government is too full of shit to make a righteous nuclear stance such as the one d-rock …naively brought up above.

The Nuclear program is one of the only way to fight U.S in the way it does ; it’s a verbal conflict that Iran is being depicted as the hero withstanding the force of a great force. One against many . There is constant calls (from Iran) to topple the untrue Saudi government (not to sure about the current meeting between them) and for them to unite to take up the Muslim cause. In mehrabad Airport , Tehran’s former main airport , there’s a fucking sign which make references to khomeni saying ‘we support the Palestinian cause’

displacement of blame. Who’s left to target once the U.S is gone.

Study this 1940’s German poster

http://en.wikipedia....ropaganda-Poster.jpg

Sweet!

” We have to maintain such strong rules , though. If we were to collapse to the force of western culture , we would have failed “

I’ll respond to falcore , as he’s the only nice enough to continue the conversation.

I got this Chemistry crap , but i’ll be back.

On the question of the Iranian nuclear program

http://en.wikipedia....lear_program_of_Iran

the link above is where i got this info.

The Iranian nuclear power program started in the 1950’s with full US support after a successful CIA backed coup put out the democraticly elected prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh and Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was put in power. The technology and plutonium all came from the west. This was until 1979 with the popular revolution that placed Ruhollah Khomeini in power. In 1983 Iran wanted to restart their nuclear program that had ceased following the revolution in 79′ Iran informed the International Atomic Energy Agency and they stated that they would “contribute to the formation of local expertise and manpower needed to sustain an ambitious programme in the field of nuclear power reactor technology and fuel cycle technology”. Under US pressure this was canceled.

I guarantee that if the US staged another Coup and created made Iran into a client state again the US would end their rejection to uranium enrichment.
This is not intended to defend the president of Iran but to show that the current US position has noting to do with world peace.
Only international domination.

Even though it was mostly a joke , I’m still offended by how it was so imperative to get your shot against America and even try create similarities between those two nations.

“Nonetheless, it was funny to see Iran offer to shut down all nuclear programs, provided the US did the same. Naturally a ludicrous proposition!”

That depends… ideally ,they would be standing against nuclear powers , but their government is too full of shit to do so. Have you come across all the aggrandizing speeches they’ve made about Iran …

* Crushing America
* Capturing British soilders. In fact , all 3 Iranian delegates commenting on the issue kept on talking about some British soldier urinating himself , making it as if the IRGC , Islamic revolutionary gaurd corps , was a mighty force to fear.
* Weapons announcements . They usually fabricate stories of ’stealthy’ weapons which would be unavoidable (Ghadir submarine . Fajr
Ballistic missle. Kowsar missle. Shafaq figther.)

Those are a few examples.

They’ve been ‘vocal protesters’ against Israel , but these people have something in common :
both have intentionally demolished homes. Iranian government officials gave the go ahead some time ago to allow for some dissidents homes to be demolished.

“On October 26, Ahmadinejad gave a speech in which he quoted Ayatollah Khomenei (who died in 1989) as saying that “the occupation of Jerusalem” will be “erased from the page of time.” Ahmadinejad used the quote in a speech noting that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Soviet Union itself, and the regime of Saddam Hussein all ended in time, as he maintained the Israeli occupation of one of Islam’s holiest cities would too. The statement has been incessantly misquoted in the U.S. and global press as a statement that Tehran plans to “wipe Israel off the map.” One Iranian writer calls it “the rumor of the century.” Certainly it’s central to the whole disinformation program.”

Initially , I shared the same belief , but Ahmadenijad questions why Palestine has to pay for the acts of Europe , thus saying why are Jews in that region. So , Ahmadenijad does believe that Israel should be wiped of the map , but without the massacre. Also , In Military parades , they’ve said death to Israel whilst parading weaponry. That is another message , not just a message of dissonance regarding treatment of Palestinians.

Falcore’s main point :

“I guess my point of “Iran being surrounded with US forces”
was if there were active Iranian military bases in Canada and Central America and they were being used in a war of occupation against Mexico and at the same time the President of Iran was pointing at the US and saying you have to stop enriching uranium and stop supplying resistance forces in Mexico or face sanctions or worse.
I think we would feel threatened especially if they had the power and influence to carry it out. US sanctions have been very deadly in the past for example; Iraq and Cuba.”

With defense in mind , it may have been justified if the program didn’t start before 2003. In fact , it took until 2002 for it to be revealed by a dissident. They made promises that if the case was brought into the security council , they’d kill and torture dissidents. The whole program was a secret.

Talking about Mutually Assured Destruction , do you really want to give these people immunity?

Really?

“Iran cracks down on “mal-veiled” women - photos”

“Iran’s Islamist rulers want sex segregation on pavements”

”
Tehran, Iran, Jan. 04 – In the latest “acid attack” by radical Islamists on young women accused of ignoring the country’s strict dress regulations, two female university students had acid splashed on their faces in the town of Shahroud, north-eastern Iran.

The two women, aged 21 and 22, study geography in Shahroud’s Open University. Unidentified assailants travelling on a motorbike moved next to them in Ferdowsi Street and threw acid on their faces as they were walking. The attackers immediately left the scene and have not been arrested.

Radical Islamists operating under the umbrella of the paramilitary Bassij force and Ansar-e Hezbollah have stepped up their campaign against the “mal-veiling” of women and girls since the election of hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Iranian President regularly addresses meetings of these Islamic vigilantes and praises their efforts “to purify the Islamic Republic of the vestiges of corrupt Western culture”.”

“TEHRAN - Female civil servants at Iran’s Culture Ministry and female journalists at the state newspaper and news agency must be out of the office by dusk to be with their families, a directive said on Tuesday.

The directive was issued by Culture Minister Mohammad Hossein Saffar-Harandi, one of a batch of hardline cabinet ministers brought in by President Mahmoud Ahamdinejad who won a landslide election in June.

“Owing to the sensitive role of women in the family and in raising children, women employees are banned from staying at the office after 6 p.m.,” the Tosea newspaper quoted the directive as saying.

The order to get home early also covers the official IRNA news agency and the state-run Iran daily newspaper.

The directive did not specify what punishments women would face if they disobeyed the decree.

Shirin Ebadi, Iran’s 2003 Nobel Peace Prize winner, said the decree was blatantly discriminatory.

“Women should be free to adjust their working hours based on their pace of life,” the human rights lawyer told Reuters.

One woman reporter believed it was part of a plan by Ahmadinejad’s government to turn the clock back on the tentative progress made under moderate former President Mohammad Khatami.

Under eight years of Khatami’s presidency, enforcement of social restrictions such as Islamic dress codes for women were relaxed. Women entered previously male-only domains such as taxi driving and the police.

“It is just a start. They will put more limitations on women. They do not want us to be socially active,” said a female journalist, who asked not to be named. She works night shifts at the Iran newspaper. “What about me? I start working at 3 p.m. This decree means that I will be jobless soon.”"

Tehran, Jan. 22 – Iran has denied allowing women to take part in this year’s presidential elections.

This morning Reuters news agency reported that Iran’s legislative watchdog had said that women could run in June’s presidential election, clearing up an ambiguous article of the constitution.

Iran’s constitution says that candidates should be political “rejal,” an Arabic word for men.

Reuters quoted Gholamhossein Elham, spokesman for the conservative Guardian Council, as saying that the word could also refer to women.

“Women who have the necessary qualifications have the right to run in the presidential elections,” he told state television, Reuters reported.

However Elham told a state-run news agency, ISNA, “I have not changed the meaning of the word rejal”.

“I never had an interview on such a subject in this way on television, and the article published is not correct”, he said.”

“EHRAN - An Iranian woman lawmaker is backing the removal of the concept of gender equality from a state development plan in order to prevent the “bullying” of men, the state news agency IRNA reported on Saturday.

“Bringing up the issue of gender justice is a case of bullying men,” the female deputy, Eshrat Shayeghi told the agency.

She said she was supporting a decision by the conservative-dominated parliament to delete a phrase in the ‘Fourth Five-Year Development Plan’ (2005-2010), which aimed at considering equal training and employment opportunities for women as men.

The preceding reformist parliament had given the go-ahead to the “gender justice” concept in the bill but it was subsequently rejected by the conservative legislation watchdog body the Guardians Council.

The new parliament removed the phrase in mid-August to follow the Guardians Council’s call.

“If men are in the habit of beating, women are guilty of talking back,” Shayeghi said.

“If the gender justice is brought up, men can object to payment of the household expenses (nafagheh) — given under Islamic law to housewives — as a sort of abuse and violence against men.”

Out of 11 female MPs in the current parliament, only one had spoken out against the removal of the phrase, IRNA reported.

Iranian women face a number of legal restrictions in Iran’s male-dominated society. They receive half of the inheritance and blood money given to men, and they are also not allowed to be court judges. If they are married, a woman needs her husband’s permission to travel abroad.”

If you’ve read a few examples of what frequently reoccurs in Iran , you’d understand why (If there was incriminating evidence and wasn’t so many technical difficulties) I wouldn’t mind bombing the facilities myself ( given that it’s night… workers gone home n shit)

Thanks for continuing the conversation , falcore.

Will respond a bit later.

i watched the documentary on iran it was very good. it put the society in perspective a society that i did not know that much about, not from the point of view of average citizens. it seems like they are just like us or anybody else in the world (the general population at least) they don’t like everything about their country but it is their home and they are working on improving it as they see fit. sounds reasonable.

If the UNSC is concerned that Iran is enriching uranium for means other than nuclear power the international community shouldn’t supply them with comparable alternative technology for power generation.(non nuclear) So that they don’t need to enrich uranium at all. I also wonder which corporations are benefiting from the sale of uranium to Iran or even the sale of technology to build nuclear power facilities whether they are for power or weapons.

To go back to something you said earlier about the illusions of weapons. Would you compare it to the US bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (not the actual actions but the message sent)which apparently was not necessary but only a show of force to the Russians who were working on similar technology?
Since those two instances nobody has used nuclear, weapons of mass destructions.

Of course we will all see in time the effect depleted uranium shells has on Iraq.
Just like the trail of destruction US chemical warfare had of Vietnam.

I guess my point of “Iran being surrounded with US forces”
was if there were active Iranian military bases in Canada and Central America and they were being used in a war of occupation against Mexico and at the same time the President of Iran was pointing at the US and saying you have to stop enriching uranium and stop supplying resistance forces in Mexico or face sanctions or worse.
I think we would feel threatened especially if they had the power and influence to carry it out. US sanctions have been very deadly in the past for example; Iraq and Cuba.

i really appreciate your info on this topic.

i just clicked on the link you gave that was very disturbing and i think that CNN is poison. I hope that people are not as retarted as the producers of CNN. I also think the guest that they had on did an excellent job in expressing many of the fundamental truths that the host seemed to forget about her own society.

You can learn a thing from this.

http://www.liveleak....om/view?i=cb7319c752

So , will anyone continue the topic?

I’d love to answer questions.