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• Comment by brett on August 16th, 2007 at 11:49 am:

  The website (www.zeitgeistmovie.com) has a wealth of information and additional resources for each section of the film. I found a documentary called Masters of the Universe: The Secret Birth of the Federal Reserve, which paints an even clearer picture of the mind blowing truth surrounding the corrupt US monetary system and the international banking interests who devised it.

  While the section in Zeitgeist dealing with 9/11 may ring too much of a conspiracy theory for some people, you’d be hard pressed to find a more comprehensive collection of information focusing on an alternative representation of how and why those towers fell and thrust us so righteously into the middle east.

• Comment by Chris on August 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pm:

  Is that link to the website working for you? I can’t seem to get it to show me anything (hence the youtube link).

  would like to see this Masters of the Universe/ Federal Reserve doc.

• Comment by brett on August 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pm:

  That website was where I originally viewed the film, and after checking it appears to be down. I’d like to think the site crashed due to a large amount of people viewing the streaming version they have on it and the problem isn’t long term or due to another more dubious cause, but that remains to be seen.

  In addition to the film itself, the website had an extensive works cited list for each section of the film, as well as a great deal of additional outside content. Let’s hope it’s back up soon.

• Comment by d. diddee on August 16th, 2007 at 2:09 pm:

  Watched about half so far. The stuff on religion is interesting and reminds me of Joseph Campbell’s “The Power of Myth.” Not sure how its gonna all tie into 9/11 though, and i fear the film is gonna veer into charges that freemasons or illuminati are behind it all in their qwest for a 1 world govt or something along them lines. Guess i’ll find out soon enough.

  One thing it didn’t mention in the discussion of religion is how many secular political movements are dervived from them too.

  If you think about it anarchism is a form of christian heresy in that it ditches the superstitution and some of the sexual mores but very much adheres to much of the ethical foundations of christianity … remember that christianity was once very much a faith that promoted egalitarianism, helping the less fortunate, anti-usury, etc.

  And marxism is undoubtedly a christian heresey.

  Bertrand Russell illustrates the striking parallells between the two:

  Yahweh + Dialectical Materialism
  The Messiah = Marx
  The Elect = the Proletariat
  The Church = Communist party
  The Second coming = The Revolution
  Hell = punishment of the capitalists
  The Millennium = the communist commonwealth

• Comment by d. diddee on August 16th, 2007 at 2:10 pm:

  Oops …

  Yahweh = Dialectal Materialsim

• Comment by unboundedexistence.com on August 16th, 2007 at 2:12 pm:

  Forget it. After typing and deleting 20 minutes worth of reactionary non-sense I’m convinced I’m unable to add any relevancy to this discussion. I’m left wondering about everything, really. Especially why this “dialouge” isn’t more full. Hello? Fuck me…

• Comment by d. diddee on August 16th, 2007 at 2:17 pm:

  Perhaps the reason that historcially more people have gravitated towards Marxism rather than Anarchism is because the former is closer to christianity/judasim.

  [Herr Moderators - feel free to roll up my posts into one so i don’t look so scatterbrained. Thank you! Heil G7!] — just messin ;-)

• Comment by saoirse on August 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pm:

  Being a geek with piqued interest I had a wee look for the cache of that site and have thus far uncovered (but not read):
  statement:
  http://216.239.59.10...k&cd=2&gl=uk
  corrections/clarifications:
  http://216.239.59.10...k&cd=1&gl=uk
  sources:
  http://216.239.59.10...k&cd=1&gl=uk
  activism:
  http://216.239.59.10...k&cd=4&gl=uk
  You boys might want to pretty the links up a bit, html melts my head.

  I sat through about 10 minutes of the movie before getting fed up with shitty internet/shitty google. Seems interesting, if a little on-the-nose. I shall persist.
  I’m not sure if you could consider this a further insight, but I personally find it hilarious:
  http://www.godhatesireland.com

• Comment by d. diddee on August 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pm:

  I just finished watching that. Wow. Talk about turning the world upside down. I don’t even know what to say right now. I’m sure it will take some time to digest.

  One question … the part where it ties in Christianity to the Fed Reserve must have flew over my head. Where/How does the film tie them together?

• Comment by Sebast on August 17th, 2007 at 10:01 am:

  It’s a convincing film, no doubt. However, with nothing more than basic general knowledge and a youthful obsession about the culture of the ancients, I find it kinda weird hearing that Horus is the humanized symbol for the Sun. I always thought that was reserved for the almighty Amûn-Ra, King of Gods (good title if your in a ChristCore band, but not if you’re the creator of the Universe).

  I’m confused… and probably wrong.

  Also, this 9/11 business… I’ts a totally new twist on the popular CIA+AlQaeda alliance to kill 3000 innocent civilians in order to have a nice precept to battle the alshitty Axis of Evil (cool name if you’re in a Muslim Thrasher band).
  ¿What ’bout the missile that crashed in the pentagon? ¿What ’bout the 255 dissapeared passengers on the 4th hijacked plane?

  I dunno, I dunno… ¡and probably never will!

  This is a long winded way of asking:

  ¿IS THIS FILM ACCURATE?
  I wanna check the sources…

• Comment by asshole on August 17th, 2007 at 4:30 pm:

  I never (term used loosely) believe anything (much) without seeing both sides of the story. Ive never heard anyone try to rebut either theory. And considering the dramatic ending of the documentary was all based on some fat mans recount of how his best friend (the) just happened to spill out the worlds deepest darkest secret, I think id trust the troll living in my asshole more. But, its interesting, I just wish there were more people doing the opposite of what these people are doing. Its so easy to believe when you only hear the one side…

• Comment by asshole on August 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pm:

  I fucked that message up so much i cant be bothered correcting it. goddammit.

• Comment by tom on August 17th, 2007 at 4:38 pm:

  sorry, all i’ve got to add to this is a book i’ve got wind about called The World Without Us, and i can’t remember the author’s name. i don’t even have a link for you. it’s sounds intruiging and i’m sure you can all guess what it’s about….that’s right! farting bunnies!!!!!!!!

  my real reason for posting here is how unbelievably amazing the greg macpherson show was last night. no,no, he’s not a stripper, he sings songs! greg put on a really powerful show and the new songs are more potent than this fucking weed i picked up from G7 a few months ago. he manages to portray a much darker form of his music, yet it was more honest, more sensitive and heartfelt. more sincere. the emotion this guys puts out can probably be converted into electricity and could be used to power any rogue operations he may or may not be involved with, or probably more likely a recording studio in a basement in a new city he may or may not be moving to.

  ummm…i don’t know the dude or anything but….is greg ok?

• Comment by shitface on August 17th, 2007 at 6:05 pm:

  So if i understood correctly the movie, it’s all Horus-the-egyptian-pigeon’s fault if i soon find myself with a microship implanted within my ass?

  wicked

  i want to hear a new propagandhi song RIGHT NOW !

• Comment by English Tony on August 19th, 2007 at 9:32 am:

  For anyone on here who’s in the UK, thought I’d point out that John Pilger’s: War on Democracy is actually on telly on Monday night. 11pm on ITV 1, or for people like me who hate it when people have to make simple things complicated, channel 3. I can’t remember if thats the one Derek recommended but if it is, fuck me, it went off the cinema about a week ago now its on terrestrial TV, unprecedented. So thats great news. I’m also 21 in 8 days, thats great news aswell. Man City just beat Man United, taking us to the top of the league.Bristol University have given me a place on a Nursing diploma, starting in a month. GREAT. Take Penicillin now ill boys, its bed-bath time!

• Comment by jammer on August 19th, 2007 at 10:27 pm:

  I can corroborate much of (at least) the section on christianity. Much of this section is confirmed by the dead sea scrolls alone, nevermind many domains of intellectual persuit that follows the evolution of civilization. Anthropologists and biblical scholars (not perhaps theologians) originally thought these scripts to be written some time shortly after christ as they share a great many passages (many being word for word) with the new testament and discribe a ‘teacher’ who is a remarkable silloutte of jesus the christ. However it has been realized that they were written a century or two BC and clearly fits in among the trend and evolving narrative of the Messiah. The date was proven through two different types of chemical dating techniques (radio carbon among others) as well as analysis of individual letter formations and language use. There were dozens of ‘messiah’s’ around this time. Anyway the dead sea scrolls are a pretty cool story and they are definitely a stick in the spokes of anyone under the persuasion of the cult of the messiah. I for one “desperately” await the messiah of the age of aquarius to plunge us into further holy wars, intellectual quashing and scientific arson for a couple thousand years all the while claiming to save us.

  ps this is gerty changed my name its a psuedonym like Pero (the pen).

• Comment by jammer on August 19th, 2007 at 10:32 pm:

  also wanna say how pleased I am that chris is taken a more active roll in the blog. no joke.

• Comment by saoirse on August 20th, 2007 at 4:45 am:

  I finally finished it, pretty interesting… kinda like three docus in one though. Emailed it to my radical theologian father, who loved it, and my good catholic grandmother, who didnt watch beyond the “guy in the sky stealing money” part.

  Right lads, here’s the craic. A very dedicated asylum right activist (and asylum seeker) from Uganda is facing removal tonight after a long, hard battle to remain here. In his native Uganda he was jailed and tortured for political activism and came here because his life was in danger. This dude has been fighting as hard as he can to stay, even from within detention, but has also dedicated a lot of time to campaigning on behalf of others. He is totally committed to improving the lot of asylum seekers in Britain and he’s quite simply a sweet, humble and honest guy who could do a lot of good if he is allowed to stay in England (never mind the fact he’s currently embroiled in a legal battle with custody officers.)

  Public opinion has helped in his case before so I am asking you all to URGENTLY email and fax as per http://www.ncadc.org...wszine79/apollo.html
  and fight this. I can’t emphasise strongly enough how important it is that this dude does not fly tonight.
  (its midday here. Get this within five hours and you can email me to send a fax on your behalf. Otherwise, you can try here http://www.tpc.int/sendfax.html with country codes or
  remote-printer [dot] Jacqui_Smith [at] 442070354745 [dot] iddd.tpc.int or jacqui [dot] smith [at] homeoffice [dot] gsi.gov.uk

  Pretty please?

• Comment by falcore on August 20th, 2007 at 10:37 am:

  d. diddee

  About your comment that Marxism is preferred over anarchism due to it likeness to Christianity. I agree with that but i think its more because since Christianity has became popular it has been organized in a top down fashion. I think it’s this the top down structure that makes it is easier to convince people of Marxism. So its familiar in its concept of some one in charge and most following orders. I say this because I am about 800 pages in to Emma Goldman’s autobiography after her and Alexander Berkman were deported to Russia it seemed that the Bolsheviks constantly preached about the Dictatorship of the proletariat up to and including Lenin whom they had a meeting with. This Dictatorship was to “fix” the ignorant backwards Russian population through forced industrialization and this would be accomplished by high raking officials through layers of bureaucracy. The thing that struck me as funny, well not funny haha but funny “my god thats depressing” is that one of the first Chomsky spoken word cd’s i listened to Propaganda and control of the Public mind he had quoted James Madison saying “The primary obligation of government is to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority , to put power in the hands of the better class of men.” which is to me a nicer way to say we need a dictatorship of the proletariat except of course in the US commerce and private property exists.

• Comment by Elron on August 21st, 2007 at 1:05 am:

  While on the topic of docs I should throw in a link to a great torrent search site formerley known as Chomsky files. It is
  http://onebigtorrent.org/
  Check it out

• Comment by saoirse on August 21st, 2007 at 5:15 am:

  Just to let y’all know, Apollo didn’t fly last night :D It came insanely close, but he’s still in England.
  From NCADC:
  ”
  Apollo was placed on the plane at 19:00hrs yesterday evening. At 19:10 he heard one of the escorts say that an injunction had been granted in favour of Apollo and the removal was stayed.

  Apollo was taken of the plane and to the escort van, there was a driver and four guards. Apollo said that he was roughed up getting into the van by the four guards and subjected to racial abuse. He said he has a black eye, bruised ribs, pain in his neck and swelling to both hands.

  They told him he was a black monkey who didn’t want to go back to Africa, that the British public were fed up with his kind and that is why at the next election they will vote for Cameron and the Conservatives who will get rid of the lot of them.”

  It sucks that in this line of work, this is a pretty positive result. Think about helping out Armand Tchuibeu. http://www.ncadc.org...eswzin85/Armand.html

• Comment by diddee on August 21st, 2007 at 2:44 pm:

  Falcore -

  I agree w/ your post. Looks like we’re on the same page.

  This Dictatorship was to “fix” the ignorant backwards Russian population through forced industrialization and this would be accomplished by high raking officials through layers of bureaucracy.

  And this is where Marx/Lenin got it wrong. Revolutions are mostly led by idealists in the initial phases, but when these figures fade from the scene leadership seems to invariably fall into the hands of opportunists & careerists whose overriding concern is holding onto their power & priveledges. They may continue to pay lip service to the original goals of the revolution but in reality the goals take a back seat to their own ambition. I think this has been shown to be the case wherever Marxism has taken hold.

  If you ever have some time to kill i would suggest reading the book “True Believers” by Eric Hoffer, in which he offers a trenchant analysis of the history of revolutions and movements advocating social change. I think it offers valuable lessons on how movements become corrupted and directs thinking towards avoiding these pitfalls in the future.

• Comment by jacksunn on August 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 am:

  “on Christianity and the Federal Reserve alone. Would like to learn more about both. If anyone has seen any rebuttals or further insights concerning these two topics, please post them here!”

  I suggest searching for Ron Paul´s addresses and writings on the topic as he seems to be the leading advocate of abolition of it. It seems so primarily because he is in a political position that allows him a voice within the US government.

  1) US Congressman Ron Paul from committee floor of House Financial Services Committee: http://www.youtube.c.../watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

  2) Ron Paul´s statement to the House calling for the abolition of the Federal Reserve. - http://www.house.gov...ec2002/cr091002b.htm

  Obviously the economic concerns of the US also concern those of you in Canada. Especially with things like the North American Union on the horizon.

  1) North American Union meeting held in Canada this August policed by US troops: http://www.infowars....ly2007/250707NAU.htm

  If you have already searched for Federal Reserve stuff your probably already deep into it. The North American Union stuff though ‘ Are you aware of that?

• Comment by jacksunn on August 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 am:

  Here is some ‘official’ propaganda from the SPP which is working to establish a North American Union: http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

• Comment by diddee on August 22nd, 2007 at 3:54 pm:

  Here’s some shit on the federal reserve in a radio interview in which a libertarian scholar discusses “Central Banking, Inflation and Empire”

  http://www.antiwar.c.../08/21/lew-rockwell/

  It gets pretty heavy into economics so it was hard for me to understand but the brightest bulb i am not.

  One last thing … I dont’ know how y’all were brought up, but i was always taught to say what i mean and mean what i say. For instance, it’s not very nice to toy with people and convince them that they won the lottery when they didn’t.

  Sure, the whole “glen lambert” thing was a harmless joke. But i remember on Prop’s website there was a post saying they were gonna put up some mp3s of their new material for the enjoyment of their devoted fans. That was several months ago and still nodda.

  And here they are, heading off to faraway lands that most of us can only dream of visiting, leaving the ordinary fan to the bleekness of their workaday lives with no good fresh music to jam.

  *sniff*

  I’m ready to die.

• Comment by saoirse on August 23rd, 2007 at 6:21 am:

  Broken record I may be but there isnt much else I can think to do - if you’re serious about fighting homophobia and defending everyone’s rights to sexual expression and liberation, do this urgently:
  Pegah Emambakhsh Must Stay - http://www.indymedia.../2007/08/379484.html

  At most a life, and at least the liberty and mental health of a woman who has done no wrong, depend on it.

  And, again, if you need a fax sent on your behalf: saoirse_ionannas_aonad [at] hotmail [dot] com with your name, address or city, and country.

• Comment by citizen stefish on August 24th, 2007 at 3:10 am:

  “shit” is a good word to describe rockwell. his website is an infected cornhole of private property and market worship. these guys treat it as if it is a religion. and anyone who disagrees is a totalitarian.

  also beware the ron paul “mania” that is supposedly sweeping the web. he’s one of these guys who believe that fetuses have equal rights, and he’s a vehement opponent of just about every social success story in american history. in much the way that the hedges article discussed how reagan reversed what nader had accomplished, paul would be the same toward just about everything else. just let the market solve everything. basically you have no rights unless you own property. last week there was an article on Z by william blum where he found a quote by paul saying that “only about 5%” of blacks have sensible political opinions. “sensible” means that they agree with him: markets, corporate power, private property. paul neglected to mention that there couldn’t be more than about 25-30% of everyone else who agrees with him, as national polls consistently indicate that about 65-70% of americans are what would likely be called “social democrats”. yet the people who vote, vote for the “conservatives”. that shows you how powerful the propaganda is.

  anyway, back on topic. that’s basically what antiwar.com is. it’s a site run by these libertarian guys. i use it for headlines, nothing more. and i will not donate a cent to them. they consistently bulldoze anyone to the left of them as a “commie” (including john pilger, who is listed as a featured columnist on the site). and then they wonder why they’re not meeting the donation goals each quarter, and have to resort to polite begging.

• Comment by saoirse on August 24th, 2007 at 6:42 am:

  Just to let y’all know, Pegah is not being deported on Tuesday! No need to fax BA but she still needs your support at the HO to secure her release from Yarl’s Wood Removal Centre.
  A revised posting, including a “model letter” to the Home Secretary @
  http://www.ncadc.org...r/aug%2007/pegah.htm

  I went ahead and bought a fax machine (how 1980s businesswoman am I?) so feel free to drop me a line to send one on your behalf. I think this woman has a pretty good chance, but with Iranian press picking up on her story, its absolutely vital she doesn’t go. saoirse_ionannas_aonad [at] yahoo [dot] co.uk

• Comment by saoirse on August 24th, 2007 at 11:20 am:

  Ok, I know its hard to keep perspective in fighting the same uphill battle and I know it can be hard to find space in your heart for everyone, but what is the point of all our indignation and all our searching for alternatives if we can’t respond to others’ most basic human needs?

  I read this story and I just about wanted to die.

  Imagine being an activist in a country where the very act of dissenting can easily find you in a bodybag. Imagine losing your husband, your livelihood and home, risking life and limb to find a sanctuary, not only to be refused it upon arrival, but to be raped and abused while you’re there?

  Despite enduring hardships I can’t even imagine, and suffering from severe psychological trauma, Beatrice Ketcha Guessie - only a few years my senior - continues to do all she can to help fellow asylum seekers in the UK. The torture of this woman is another blot on an already filthy human rights record. Please, please do something to stop her being returned to Cameroon on Tuesday.

  More details here: http://saoirsenic.blogspot.com/ or email saoirse_ionannas_aonad [at] yahoo [dot] co.uk to add your name. Its so easy and it can make such a difference.

• Comment by diddee on August 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pm:

  Citizen Stefish … i appreciate your feedback about antiwar.com as i’ve been trying to solicit opinions on it from posters ’round here for a while.

  Though i must respectfully disagree w/ your evaluation.

  The primary editor/founder of the site, Justin Raimondo, is an open homosexual who has described himself as “hedonist” and ridicules arseholes like Tancredo who bash immigrants. So he is very much a social libertarian even though some of the contributors, like Pat Buchanan, are not. Raimondo also openly endorsed Ralph Nader in the 2004 election.

  Now, i totally agree w/ you on the libertarian economics … as there are so many flaws in that ideology that i don’t see how anyone could seriously advocate it. On the flip side though, i have begun to have doubts about the viability of pure leftist anarchist ideolgogy when applied to the real world. I’m definitely a “Leftist”, but i’m not blinded by any ideology.

  The American govt is guilty of committing numerous injustices, both foregin and domestic. At this time, however, the U.S. military involvement in the mid-east is the most egregious crime of them all. And i think the #1 moral priority for Americans right now is to get the fuck out of Iraq & Afganistahn immediately.

  That said, i am in almost complete agreement with most of the contributors at antiwar.com in regards to their opinions of the role of the U.S. in international affairs … incidentally most contributors are also anti NAFTA, WTO, etc.

  As for Ron Paul, I am in complete agreement with his assessment of our invovlement in the mideast, as well as certain other issues such as his condemnation of the patriot act & govt easvedropping. Though i certainly don’t agree w/ his stance on abortion or freemarket as humaities savior.

  Out of all the shitheads seeking the GOP nomination, Paul is certainly the most principled, and if Americans are hell-bent on electing another Republican to the presidency, I would take Paul over the other any day. Could you imagine the consequences for humanity if some maniac like Guilliani gets elected?

  So i support antiwar.com because it brings together a variety of people with often radically opposing world views yet having common ground on one crucial matter: a detestation of war and a sense of urgency that it needs to be stopped a.s.a.p.

• Comment by diddee on August 24th, 2007 at 1:32 pm:

  So while you’re flicking through your ideological checklist making sure an organization tics all the right boxes, innocent folks are stuck in the horror and agony of a hell on earth that won’t begin to end until U.S. troops get the fuck out of their lands …

  I welcome any voice calling for an end to the insanity. Here’s some of what the “libertarian” Raimondo wrote today …

  In a disgusting display of mendacity not seen since the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, a pro-war advertising campaign spearheaded by former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer is buying $15 million worth of 30-second television spots that repeat the lies linking 9/11 to Iraq – and explicitly threatening another terrorist attack in the US if we “surrender.” It’s the first storm in a season of fear.

  The content of the ads – four of them, so far – is so completely dishonest that one wonders what the producers were thinking: do they really imagine the American people are going to swallow another round of complete fabrications? It’s hard to believe, but there you have it. Even more surreal than the assertions tying the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the Iraqis is the blatant exploitation of US troops in Iraq: this one, for example, shows a soldier who has lost a leg declaiming that he will have lost it for nothing if we allow “politics” – i.e. the overwhelming majority of Americans – to influence our policy. Then “everything I’ve given and sacrificed will mean nothing.” Here is the complete text:

  “Congress was right to vote to fight terrorism in Iraq and I re-enlisted after September 11 because I don’t want my sons to see what I saw. I want them to be free and safe. I know what I lost. I also know that if we pull out now everything I’ve given and the sacrifices will mean nothing. They attacked us and they will again. They won’t stop in Iraq. We are winning on the ground and making real progress. It’s no time to quit. It’s no time for politics.”

  So the liars who lied us into war, who fabricated “evidence” of Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction,” aren’t to blame – oh no, of course not! It’s those of us who oppose this monstrous and mistaken invasion who are to be targeted as advocating “surrender” in a conflict that cannot be won without murdering half the population of Iraq and enslaving the other half. Because we allowed the Scooter Libbys and the Ari Fleischers to lure us into a quagmire, we must remain submerged there forever – or the loss of this soldier’s leg was all for naught.

  What kind of morality is it that lets the perpetrator of a fraud off scot-free while blaming the victim who has been defrauded? It’s called neocon morality – where the neocons are always in the clear, and the rest of us are dunned to pay the price of their immeasurable hubris.

  I say keep it up Justin!!

• Comment by DickShit on August 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pm:

  Here’s a decent flick I saw last night about some of the Lost Boys of Sudan moving to America : http://www.godgrewti...dofus.com/index.html
  It’s even narrated by Nicole Skidman.
  Brad(’s hairy) Pitt even takes his shirt off and punches Tom Cruise in the nuts. This is a lie, but the film is still pretty good.

• Comment by DaveB. on August 31st, 2007 at 7:02 pm:

  I found this movie “Interesting”. I can’t comment on the first two parts, but I can comment on the third part.

  The third part contained numerous errors about the federal reserve.
  - The quotes contributed to Woodrow Wilson are incorrect/incomplete
  - The federal reserve is a quasi-private organisation, in that there are shareholders, but the reserve is controlled by the board of directors which is appointed by the executive.
  - Any interest revenue is not distrubuted to the shareholders

  The assumption that all tax revenue is used to pay interest payments is absurd, and doesn’t even require anymore discussion.

  The concensus among many people is that the federal reserve should be disbanded, but not for the reasons this movies states. The biggest champion of the dissolution of the federal reserve over the last 50 years has been Milton Friedman, and i’m sure that most people using this site to not share many (if any) of the values of Milton Friedman.

• Comment by Chris on September 1st, 2007 at 7:51 pm:

  DaveB: more please!

  more detail on these on these errors! what’s a good source for the corrections you’ve outlined?

  i don’t remember the film claiming that “all tax revenue” is used to cover interest payments. i missed that. perhaps that is a clarity issue? i’m sure the makers of the film understand that roads and schools and fighter/ bombers are subsidized by tax revenue, no?

• Comment by diddee on September 3rd, 2007 at 3:51 am:

  Shithead (j/k) …

  if you wanna learn more about the “fed” then just listen to this interview … http://www.antiwar.c.../08/21/lew-rockwell/

  Can you understand that??

• Comment by DaveB. on September 3rd, 2007 at 8:00 pm:

  Correction from previous post, the Board of Governors is appointed by the executive.

  The Board of Governors does the following: “The seven-member Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System determines the reserve requirements of the member banks within statutory limits, reviews and determines the discount rates established by the 12 Federal Reserve banks, and reviews the budgets of the reserve banks. The Chairman of the Board of Governors is appointed to a four-year term by the president of the United States.” – Encyclopaedia Britannica
  Essentially they run the show, and are not part of the private banking industry.

  It’s also important to note that the Federal Reserve does not actually create currency (coins/bills). That responsibility falls under the department of treasury.

  In regards to the profits made by the Federal Reserve:
  “FRB(federal reserve banks) earnings that exceed statutory amounts of surplus established for FRBs are paid to the Government”
  This amount totalled 29.9 billion for fiscal 2006
  Here is the link, Note M: http://www.gao.gov/f...otestofinancials.pdf

  The “fed” is not as secretive as the movie portrays:
  It releases independently audited financial statements:
  http://www.federalre...eleases/h41/Current/

  It also tables various reports to congress:
  http://www.federalre...congress/default.htm

  The movie states “nearly all” tax revenue goes into the hands of private bankers. Then compares it to slavery (I’ve seen many a bumper sticker in Alberta stating “Taxes=Slavery). As stated earlier by Chris, a majority of tax revenue is used to fund the spending habits of governments not on interest payments. In 2006, interest expense made up 7% of total expenses. (221/3127)= .07. This is total interest expense, interest payments to the Federal Reserve would make up only a portion of the 7%.

  Here is the link to the financial statements of the United States government for the year ending Sept 30, 2006(Independently audited):
  http://www.gao.gov/f...ancialstatements.pdf

  Lastly, the Bank of Canada is 100% a crown corporation. Not one private banker has any amount of ownership, yet we in Canada still have the same economic volatility as that of the US.
  I am not saying central banks are good, or bad, as that is another subject. All I am trying to do is demonstrate that Zeitgeist may be a little off on its theory of the Federal Reserve.

• Comment by scotty on September 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 pm:

  http://www.occupation101.com/

  this one began years ago, but 911 changed how they were to present this documentary. It’s a must see. The biggest names are interviewed in this one. Please spread the word.

• Comment by Chris on September 6th, 2007 at 9:03 pm:

  DaveB: thanks for that additional info, much appreciated!

  diddee: sometimes todd the rod’s posts lack a certain clarity. in other words, i still have no idea what the hell he was talking about when he said we were going to post new songs on the site. sometimes i imagine him sitting on a bus, staring out the window…then my point of view zooms into his ear canal and the inside of his head is a filigree of golden monkeys operating massive calliopes and there are tons of beach-balls bouncing all over the place and everything smells like gum.

• Comment by scotty on September 9th, 2007 at 3:53 am:

  I believe the intro about religion serves more as function to demonstrate that what we think we know, is far from the truth. Demolishing religion is an easy thing to do, so it set up believable precedent to go into the 911 Myth and the Federal Reserve. Christianity has affectively been debunked. It is simply irrational to believe it. So, again, this break down of the Christian myth merely serves the purpose of making it easier to deny the government’s myths on 911 and so on.

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